knifefighter; if you look at 4:32 of the video and then on, the camera is looking at and measureing his hand and not just the paper towel. you can see the center of his hand white in the flir.
as i said before i am sure some things are fake, but i am convinced this is not. now why in the wrld would the gov. or anyone else want to talk to him?? they might want to do away with him so people still have to go to western drs. and get pills that dont work. as the patient said in the video,western medecine did not help hime, but this man did. so that is all that matters. i ave witnessed light body skill in person. you still weight the same on the scale but it is manipulating the body.
please demo the “trick” to this in a video for us to see,but it needs to look legit,dont make it so everyone knows whats up.
[QUOTE=teetsao;1046449]knifefighter; if you look at 4:32 of the video and then on, the camera is looking at and measureing his hand and not just the paper towel. you can see the center of his hand white in the flir.
as i said before i am sure some things are fake, but i am convinced this is not. now why in the wrld would the gov. or anyone else want to talk to him?? they might want to do away with him so people still have to go to western drs. and get pills that dont work. as the patient said in the video,western medecine did not help hime, but this man did. so that is all that matters. i ave witnessed light body skill in person. you still weight the same on the scale but it is manipulating the body.
please demo the “trick” to this in a video for us to see,but it needs to look legit,dont make it so everyone knows whats up.[/QUOTE]
Now I understand why you were fooled by the Mook Jong clip.
I ain’t one to say this is true or not. It’s one of those things where I’d really have to be there to say yay or nay.
If I made an assumption based off of a youtube video without any additional research, I’d be no better than HW108. 
wooden dummy???
[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1046328]I can easily find videos of John Painter and his cohorts as well and none of them are ever of him fighting. The difference between him and I is that I don’t pawn myself off as skilled at anything or try to steal peoples’ money by teaching them bs. [/QUOTE]
You’re flattering yourself. The difference between him and you is that he demonstrates some basis for his claims, however incomplete it may be on YouTube, whereas you demonstrate nothing at all. Yet somehow you expect to be taken seriously, more seriously than he is.
Well I haven’t seen the Power, but I can see the Mystery.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046378]I don’t know why practitioners with perfectly legitimate skills perpetuate this pseudo-mystical non-sense (some of my past teachers included).
If John Painter really has these “magnetic body” skills then he shouldn’t be wasting his time teaching seminars for $, he can directly pass go and collect $1 million dollars…details below:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
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The million dollar challenge is a fraud perpetuated by and for morons who mistake themselves for the intellectual elite.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1046405]“Master Joe” would never be able to do the heat treatments if there was someone in the room who understood his sleight of hand. Same thing with making himself lighter.
Again, anyone who had these powers would be under contract to governments and business worldwide.
What this does prove, however, is how easy it is to dupe the TMA crowd.[/QUOTE]
Among the people who have actually met Zhou, there are many willing to defend him.
I would never wish for anyone on this forum to get their smug ass kicked around the room. That is against wude. All I’m saying is, if it happens, please get the whole thing on video. I want to hear that guy explaining how he cannot be beaten “by some qi hugger”, right before he gets thrashed “by some qi hugger”. That makes for a more entertaining clip.
The million dollar challenge is a fraud perpetuated by and for morons who mistake themselves for the intellectual elite.
Not sure what your link is meant to show because the writing is non-sensical.
According to wikipedia 1000 people have taken the Randi challenge, all agreed to the conditions of the test beforehand and NONE have passed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randi_challenge
Among the people who have actually met Zhou, there are many willing to defend him.
I would never wish for anyone on this forum to get their smug ass kicked around the room. That is against wude. All I’m saying is, if it happens, please get the whole thing on video. I want to hear that guy explaining how he cannot be beaten “by some qi hugger”, right before he gets thrashed “by some qi hugger”. That makes for a more entertaining clip.
Maybe he does have martial skill, but WTF does that have to do with supernatural powers? Does one necessitate the other? No.
EO
If you were paying attention to anything else besides how cool you felt while posstong you would have noticed that I was not talking about fighting. I asked that either John or Dale DEMONSTRATE magical magnetic skills on a real resisting opponent in a way that does not look like kickboxing. If I wanted to see a kickboxing match I would watch one. They are advertising mystical magnetic powers and I want to know if they can “subtely manipulate the nervous system” of someone trying to hit them for real. They should both have some gear on for safety unless helmets block qi movement.
They are the ones claiming to be able to manipulate peoples’ nervous systems…and you are questioning me? I think your head is screwed on the wrong way. Did you know that I can cure cancer? I am holding a NON-REFUNDABLE seminar on it. You cannot have or have had cancer. The seminar is to teach you to do the healing yourself. I used to be able to cure cancer but I used up all my ‘unified’ energy so I never have to prove my claims. My name is Ron Sainter and my business partner is named Gale Gugas. Sound familiar.
You said that JP has some vids up which make his views more legit than mine though none of them are sparring. Ron Jeremy had more vids of himself demonstrating on compliant people than JP which means you must love him.
So, does this mean that Dale (KF ) or Mysterious power are going to visit Dale and Sifu Painter ??
I have invited both people to come visit for free.
I think they will bray loudly and make excuses rather than show up and be schooled.
It is a dull mind that cannot determine anything but the extremes of a matter.
If structure is broken and collapse is directed, this is leading.
There are myriad other forms as well.
It’s not about shooting invisible rays out your ass. LOL
I wonder which of these folks thinks that wwe wrestling is any sort of real beyond the entertaining aspect?
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046495]Not sure what your link is meant to show because the writing is non-sensical. [/QUOTE]
thank God - for a moment I thought it was just me…
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046501]So, does this mean that Dale (KF ) or Mysterious power are going to visit Dale and Sifu Painter ??[/QUOTE]
pot stirrer…
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1046508]thank God - for a moment I thought it was just me…
pot stirrer…[/QUOTE]
Hey, people call people out, those that are called out accept the invitation.
Where I came from the rest is up to the “callers”, right?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046509]Hey, people call people out, those that are called out accept the invitation.
Where I came from the rest is up to the “callers”, right?[/QUOTE]
I called on Dale to post video of the seminar showing him using magnetic powers on resisting opponents. By your logic, and since I called on him first, he should be doing so.
It is much easier to post a video of supposed abilities than it is try to beat up nay sayers. We live in a civilized world. I guess this is why people are afraid of guns because they believe minor altercations will result in death and injury. This is totally unfounded and untrue and un-American. People who have to or want to stomp on others because they disagree help foster this view of guns. So really we are just talking about gun control?
But seriously though. Is it not easier for DD to put up a vid instead of telling everyone who ****es him off that his doors are always open. He is like a big child…who lets other smaller children punch him…and then he claims to have qi gong powers. I should stop now before I become totally retarded and Dale tries to zap me through the internet with his qi.
On a more serious note this is nothing personal against Dale Dugas or John Painter. Actually I find it appalling that John Painter is given any credibility at all with the advent of the ufc and what not. Other than that this is just a personal crusade against bullsh!t.
Sanjuro,
I find it interesting that you talk the fighting game, talk about how sparring is important, and are ready and willing to laugh at random Chinese tards doing crappy push hand demos on youtube. I know because I remember some of your comments on my other equally good threads. But when I talk about qi huggers that you consider friends you get defensive. I respect you and your views so please do not take this the wrong way. It just seems like you make fun of this stuff in general and not when your pals are involved. If you and Knifefighter had a baby together it would be the Ultimate Fighter. If Dale Dugas and John Painter had a baby together…it would be a great business marketer.
Sanjuro,
I find it interesting that you talk the fighting game, talk about how sparring is important, and are ready and willing to laugh at random Chinese tards doing crappy push hand demos on youtube. I know because I remember some of your comments on my other equally good threads. But when I talk about qi huggers that you consider friends you get defensive. I respect you and your views so please do not take this the wrong way. It just seems like you make fun of this stuff in general and not when your pals are involved. If you and Knifefighter had a baby together it would be the Ultimate Fighter. If Dale Dugas and John Painter had a baby together…it would be a great business marketer.
Actually, I don’t get defensive at all since it is NOT directed towards me.
All I do and did here, is to point out that YOU made it look like that you were doubting Dale and His Sifus “claims”, which amounts to calling someone out.
Dale’s reply was that his door is open and offered a free invitation for you and Dale to come see for yourselves.
As such, I am NOW curious to see IF you are going to do just that. since YOU were the one the brought it up in the first place.
I know you wanted to see a clip of this “power”, but Dale has offered you something MORE, a personal friendly demo.
Now, since we ALL know that videos can be faked and prove very little, what is better than the doubter ( you) see first hand if his doubts are valid?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046524]Actually, I don’t get defensive at all since it is NOT directed towards me.
All I do and did here, is to point out that YOU made it look like that you were doubting Dale and His Sifus “claims”, which amounts to calling someone out.
Dale’s reply was that his door is open and offered a free invitation for you and Dale to come see for yourselves.
As such, I am NOW curious to see IF you are going to do just that. since YOU were the one the brought it up in the first place.
I know you wanted to see a clip of this “power”, but Dale has offered you something MORE, a personal friendly demo.
Now, since we ALL know that videos can be faked and prove very little, what is better than the doubter ( you) see first hand if his doubts are valid?[/QUOTE]
checkmate…
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046524]Actually, I don’t get defensive at all since it is NOT directed towards me.
All I do and did here, is to point out that YOU made it look like that you were doubting Dale and His Sifus “claims”, which amounts to calling someone out.
Dale’s reply was that his door is open and offered a free invitation for you and Dale to come see for yourselves.
As such, I am NOW curious to see IF you are going to do just that. since YOU were the one the brought it up in the first place.
I know you wanted to see a clip of this “power”, but Dale has offered you something MORE, a personal friendly demo.
Now, since we ALL know that videos can be faked and prove very little, what is better than the doubter ( you) see first hand if his doubts are valid?[/QUOTE]
Do not try to turn this around on me. I am not making any money on this and am not making any claims to skills, or powers, or anything. The ones selling this product are in question since they are selling it. I am simply being a good consumer and helping others to do the same. By questioning these claims I am helping people make educated decisions.
MP,
You called me and my teacher into question.
I invited you to come meet him and myself and see FIRSTHAND that you are wrong and can be proven wrong.
That you continue to insult the both of us shows everyone here your true agenda. Hate mongering against people who actually can represent.
This forum used to be fun, lately it has become a huge drag…
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1046530]This forum used to be fun, lately it has become a huge drag…[/QUOTE]
mysterious power and knifefighter talk more ****e about other peoples skill because they have none of thier own. isnt KF the short fat guy named Dale?
I can guarente you they will NOT go to the seminar, no chance in h*ll. but they WILL make up excuses why they cant go, we have heard this lame crap for years. and you 2 will not surely will not be the excetiption to the rule.
They would much rather simply sit on the computer from the safey of thier own homes and put others down. its much easier for people of thier station in life to feel good about themselves.
kinda funny mysertious power’s screen name is debunking mysterious power and the other guy needs a knife to win a fight. LOl just sayin