And in all fairness Dale…crossing hands with you is like crossing hands with Gargantuan!:eek:
I don’t know why practitioners with perfectly legitimate skills perpetuate this pseudo-mystical non-sense (some of my past teachers included).
If John Painter really has these “magnetic body” skills then he shouldn’t be wasting his time teaching seminars for $, he can directly pass go and collect $1 million dollars…details below:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
EO
P.S.
Dale, don’t take my comments personally, you seem like a nice guy, but you teacher is claiming he can defy the laws of physics and biology…which is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046378]I don’t know why practitioners with perfectly legitimate skills perpetuate this pseudo-mystical non-sense (some of my past teachers included).
If John Painter really has these “magnetic body” skills then he shouldn’t be wasting his time teaching seminars for $, he can directly pass go and collect $1 million dollars…details below:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
EO
P.S.
Dale, don’t take my comments personally, you seem like a nice guy, but you teacher is claiming he can defy the laws of physics and biology…which is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
To be fair randi refused to fly in a gentleman for study who claimed he survied entirely on some type of yoga thing called prawna. If he cant afford so much as a plane ticket i fail to see how he has a mill sitting around to give out
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1046372]good point, and it certainly had to be said.
The problem with these forums is that people post under pseudonyms, giving them the cover and protection of anonyminity, allowing them to do such things.[/QUOTE]
It’s very common for a CMA teacher to send his students to beat up somone who had bad mouthed him. I just want to point this out that it’s not worthy to create unnecessary enemy just for the fun of internet discussion.
I had met John Painter in person. Not only he is a nice guy, I believe his CMA skill is good too.
[QUOTE=goju;1046379]To be fair randi refused to fly in a gentleman for study who claimed he survied entirely on some type of yoga thing called prawna. If he cant afford so much as a plane ticket i fail to see how he has a mill sitting around to give out[/QUOTE]
So he’s supposed to fly every two-bit huckster around the world to test their claims?
If he did that, the million would be gone quick enough.
EO
I would guess it depends on the extent of the light to no touch they are referring to. I have seen and felt a Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu Master lead me by what seemed to be a barely percievable touch, where I couldn’t let go. He didn’t mystify it, he merely stated that after thirty years of devoting his life to his training, certain skills, sensitivity,etc. are possible. I don’t know if this is related to Dr. Painter’s skill, or not. I’m simply relating an experience.
Greetings,
Mr Dugas,
It is very nice of you to extend such an invitation. I believe that wisdom is something that should be paid for. Still, be sure to have a really good time. If you should happen to go into Cenobite mode, it is so totally okay.
mickey
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046382]So he’s supposed to fly every two-bit huckster around the world to test their claims?
If he did that, the million would be gone quick enough.
EO[/QUOTE]
Why not he apparently has millions laying around and has the supposed funds to do research yet he cant afford a plane ticket?
The man is a big of a fraud as the people he bickers with on the news:rolleyes:
http://www.rense.com/general50/james.htm
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1046383]I would guess it depends on the extent of the light to no touch they are referring to. I have seen and felt a Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu Master lead me by what seemed to be a barely percievable touch, where I couldn’t let go. He didn’t mystify it, he merely stated that after thirty years of devoting his life to his training, certain skills, sensitivity,etc. are possible. I don’t know if this is related to Dr. Painter’s skill, or not. I’m simply relating an experience.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, like this:
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046378]I don’t know why practitioners with perfectly legitimate skills perpetuate this pseudo-mystical non-sense (some of my past teachers included).
If John Painter really has these “magnetic body” skills then he shouldn’t be wasting his time teaching seminars for $, he can directly pass go and collect $1 million dollars…details below:[/QUOTE]
Actually, if you really could demonstrate paranormal skills like this, you could make much more than a measly $1 million. You’d have governments and business from all over the world trying to outbid each other to learn your secrets.
Anyone who believes in no-touch nonsense is as deluded as the students of the guy in the clip above.
goju
To be fair randi refused to fly in a gentleman for study who claimed he survied entirely on some type of yoga thing called prawna.
PRANA is the sanskrit word for Chi, qi…
i think this guy could pass the test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fc0bI5CPuk
however i am sure randi would have soome excuses not to pay him. just like i am sure he would say my friends and i who break concrete and coconuts, that it is all physics,yet he would not be able to recreate it withoout the use of some type of object such as a hammer, not that i have mystical qi abilities before someone mistakes what i said and jumps on me.
also do oyu remmeber “jon chang”??? alot of is abilities were measured with scientific instruments,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8
not sure i go for everything, but then again i have seen some unbeleiveable stuff from my teachers,so who knows. we as humans cannot explain everythhing in the universe,though we would like to think so. we seem to tink we have elevated ourselves to the point where everything can be explained in science,yet we are very ,very young in america,whereas the rest of the world is ancient,so who knows what is out there in some corner of the world. we all contain energy and some can manipulate it more than others.
[QUOTE=teetsao;1046402]i think this guy could pass the test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fc0bI5CPuk
however i am sure randi would have soome excuses not to pay him. just like i am sure he would say my friends and i who break concrete and coconuts, that it is all physics,yet he would not be able to recreate it withoout the use of some type of object such as a hammer, not that i have mystical qi abilities before someone mistakes what i said and jumps on me.
also do oyu remmeber “jon chang”??? alot of is abilities were measured with scientific instruments,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aos0hnwiHt8
not sure i go for everything, but then again i have seen some unbeleiveable stuff from my teachers,so who knows. we as humans cannot explain everythhing in the universe,though we would like to think so. we seem to tink we have elevated ourselves to the point where everything can be explained in science,yet we are very ,very young in america,whereas the rest of the world is ancient,so who knows what is out there in some corner of the world. we all contain energy and some can manipulate it more than others.[/QUOTE]
LOL… my brother is a professional magician and he can do all that easily. Anyone who understands basic sleight of hand can see that he is a phony.
“Master Joe” would never be able to do the heat treatments if there was someone in the room who understood his sleight of hand. Same thing with making himself lighter.
Again, anyone who had these powers would be under contract to governments and business worldwide.
What this does prove, however, is how easy it is to dupe the TMA crowd.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1046390]Yeah, like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I[/QUOTE]
LOL sheesh! no…um,
not like that…
(nice one, KF)
[QUOTE=teetsao;1046402]i think this guy could pass the test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fc0bI5CPuk [/quote]
I love how they try to lend it an air of scientific credibility by including a patient that is an MD and the infrared camera. But let’s see, doctors can be fooled just as easily as anyone else and all the infrared camera showed was that he was using friction to heat up his palms.
The paper walking thing had to do with the fact that he’s a little asian guy and
he displaced his weight across two feet and walked slowly. The host was bigger, stepped with one foot and stepped quickly onto the paper (generating more force)
No one can change how much they weigh by thinking it so, but they can change how that weight is distributed and whether they add force to their steps by stepping quickly.
It’s all within the laws of physics.
not sure i go for everything, but then again i have seen some unbeleiveable stuff from my teachers,so who knows. we as humans cannot explain everythhing in the universe,though we would like to think so. we seem to tink we have elevated ourselves to the point where everything can be explained in science,yet we are very ,very young in america,whereas the rest of the world is ancient,so who knows what is out there in some corner of the world. we all contain energy and some can manipulate it more than others.
I agree with you that we should not shut the door on Eastern practices. It’s an "experiment’ that’s been running for thousands of years and there’s a lot of empirical data there even if the theories about why things work (or don’t) needs to be reconciled with modern knowledge.
I’ve also experienced some pretty amazing skill on the part of my taiji teacher that seems to defy human abilities and would need some kind of supernatural explanation. But mostly I think it boils down to a subtle understanding of the human body. None of it requires a belief in the paranormal.
Things like levitation, telekinesis, mind-reading, etc. etc. are bogus. We can reject them outright because they blatantly conflict with scientific knowledge. This is a deep topic and I could go on forever…but I’ll spare everyone by ending here.
EO
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046418]
The paper walking thing had to do with the fact that he’s a little asian guy and
he displaced his weight across two feet and walked slowly. The host was bigger, stepped with one foot and stepped quickly onto the paper (generating more force)[/QUOTE]
More than likely they were also “his” paper platforms and I can pretty much guarantee they were not structurally the same.
There is a reason these guys can’t do the same things when outside people supply the equipment.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046418]… all the infrared camera showed was that he was using friction to heat up his palms. [/QUOTE]
There was more to it than that, and that’s the reason he needed the towel to be rolled up. Can’t do the trick without the rolled up towel.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1046423]There was more to it than that, and that’s the reason he needed the towel to be rolled up. Can’t do the trick without the rolled up towel.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he was adding two chemicals together to produce an exothermic reaction (eg like those heating pads that go into gloves or ski boots).
Anyway you slice there’s a NATURAL explanation for what he was doing.
EO
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046425]Maybe he was adding two chemicals together to produce an exothermic reaction (eg like those heating pads that go into gloves or ski boots).
Anyway you slice there’s a NATURAL explanation for what he was doing.
EO[/QUOTE]
Of course there is and that’s why he can’t do it without the towels. Of course he will tell you that he needs the towels to “absorb” some of the energy, otherwise the patient might get burned (neglecting the fact that the person already has clothes covering the area), or that he needs the “special” towels to “disperse” the energy.
They might as well call this a chi sau seminar or even better a push hands seminar. Do away with the mystical description and call it what it is. Sticky hands galore!
Tentigers,
Why do you pretend to be so naive? You have not experienced it so you do not know what it is and therefore cannot judge? It is obviously a push hands seminar. If you pretended to be this dumb in grade school you would still be there. Luckily in the Kung fu world they allow for the dumbness. The dumber one is the more qi he is building, the more skilled he is, and the need to show teh realz in a video is completely thrown out.
Kung fu is just like The Matrix. You are all asleep and being probed in the anus by the machines. You want to believe so badly that you cannot feel the pain and suffering your anus is feeling.
In other words John Painter, whoever, is trying to f*ck you out of cash that you could have:
- Given to me to spend on strippers
- Thrown off a bridge
- Donated to some bogus Haitian recovery fund.
Anyone who spends money on this deserves the anal probing machines. You say he and Dale are dedicated practitioners trying to pass on info. Moteley Crue was dedicated to heroine. Just because they are dedicated does not mean they have anything worthy to pass on.
Tentigers,
Go to the seminar. Record some of it. Learn it. And then apply it against someone who is really trying to hit you. If you are not willing to do any of that than you are as bad as us. Based on your argument you cannot defend this seminar because you have not “felt” it. So either go or stfu. You are too much of a wuss to admit the big gorilla in the room. You are one of those people that would not tell Johnny he sucks at gym because he is too fat. You would tell him he needs to go to a school with other fat people around and then he will do fine in gym. Mr. Politically Correct would never diss anything.