Things you should never do in a fight

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Street/Reality Fighting
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Sorry Jerry I have to disagree

First off I wonder how many brawlers we actually have who can give REAL insight and experience. Those who know me KNOW I fight, I fight often, I LOVE to fight, the best person to attest to this is my wife:D. I used even get into fight just to test my skill. Silly? Yes! (Yeah you just have my words on the screen to go on but read on:P) Seriously, the sad thing I see on the net all the time is pple who got in ONE fight, got there butt kick, then comment on what NOT to do in a fight. Funny isn’t it. First lets get one thing clear! Say it with me:

“It is about the PERSON not the art, not the technique.”

For every “You shouldn’t do X.” There are pple who can and has.
It is up to the PERSON to find what will work and how to employ it. Pple say “don’t do high kicks” I say do what works. I have done high kicks and WON! I have done joint locks and WON! I hold rank in TKD, used it, and WON!! Now lets see was it the TKD kick, the kansetsu waza, the strip of cloth I tie around my cool pajamas. NO it was ME! What works for me won’t work for everyone. (Man I hate making sense) So it is up to the PERSON to find what he can effectively use.

While I am ranting let me cover something to stimulate the LOGIC factors in the brain:

If you practice a Tradional/koryu/ancient/etc art the techinques that are in it are there for a reason!!! The MA that surived today are those of the pple who WON there fight. Think who would follow a teacher who got his butt kicked all the time!!! Some matches were life and death, some MA teachers were bodyguards, soldiers, etc. SO that mean the LIVE by there wits and fighting skills. Do you think these guys would keep techinques that didn’t work or had a purpose? Pple who USED MA to fight for lives is more educated to say what works than our modern Martial Arts hobbiest! Do your research pple. (I get equally annoyed with TKD who don’t admit or know that TKD was Shotokan with a korean twist. Research!!)

If you practice a modern art then think why did the person chose the techniques he did for this art. (This is scary considering many of the money making arts that come along, ie more instrested in getting money than teaching defence.)

No matter what you study you have to find whta works for you adn know HOW to use it. Know you limitations. Know when to walk, know when to run (Kenny Rogers anyone:D) Know when you can take the dumb bloke assaulting you and dump him on his arse!

MA is violent. MA is combat. If you haven’t grasped this then What are you doing?
A MArtist finds the most effective means to deal with a conflict.

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OK

Firstly, JerryLove - I agree with your principle comments but not the way you execute them. Get off the overly high-horse you have put yourself on, and stand with the rest of us :slight_smile:

I like TKD, and I there are MANY TKD guys (and girls) who’d hand my ass to me in a second.

However IN MY OPINION, short, powerful blows are the best way to end a conflict.

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Yes it’s the person, yes it’s what works for them, etc..

However, there are some things that are universally true. For example, if you stand roughly 1 foot from a person, would you punch or try to kick the guy in the head? One is more efficient than the other.

I can say TKD is good at sport fighting. I don’t know enough to comment on it efficacy in a street fight.

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However, there are some things that are universally true. For example, if you stand roughly 1 foot from a person, would you punch or try to kick the guy in the head? One is more efficient than the other.

Err.. This is were common sense comes in!!! The situation is to obvious. If you need more room than a foot to kick to the head then why try it!!! Come on if this has to be hashed out then you shouldn’t be getting into any fights. Some things are just a no brainer.

Effective combat is knowing where, when, and how. If you don’t know how to pick the right tools for the job then you’re not training right.

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Originally posted by fmann
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However, there are some things that are universally true. For example, if you stand roughly 1 foot from a person, would you punch or try to kick the guy in the head? One is more efficient than the other.

I can say TKD is good at sport fighting. I don’t know enough to comment on it efficacy in a street fight. [/B]

Your right when you say that depending on the position of your opponent the choice of counter attack has obviouslly been made because another choice is not as effective, but in terms of TKD’s efficacy on the street…it does work. Ok, so I am not speaking entirely from my own personal exp. but many of my sparring and club members have had encounters on and off the street and they have always been successful. Some may not be so lucky. And hey, you have to remember, you can’t assume that we are all bad fighters, therefore do not know how to handle a street situation…

And when your in a fight on the sreet you could be faced with someone who is not a martial artist, therefore, it is much easier (hopefully they dont have guns!) to attack rather swiftly…

And even if you are faced with a martial artist then obviouslly the situation differs. I don’t know if you have ever been to an actual tournament for taekwondo before, but it ISNT demonstration and can be very similiar to a street fight…dont roll your eyes…im serious…it can.

Well, in my club we fight very seriouslly…and a knockout in front of spectators could be identical to a knockout in front of a street gang. ALL situtations need to be assessed individually. We cannot generalise or jump to conclusions. Just remember that.

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ugh… TKD
people who train it usually are extremly full of ****. Alo of ego around, but few that a have met can actually fight.
I know one though, trained since he was like 5 or something. By his father, everyday. He was also a natural athlete. Beleive me, he could fight. (and did it on a number on ocasions)

I like the art but not it’s practioners. ( In generall) :smiley: Mr N seems like a nice chap though :smiley:

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Thanks a lot, I appreciate that.

Big egos is a problem where ever you go really. You give someone a black belt and they think they are hot stuff. Hopefully the years will teach them how little they, and all of us really know.

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Tae Li, keep up your training. Just remember that tae kwon do is complex in its simplicity.

BTW, sorry for the late response, I’ve been away from the computer for a while now.

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No worries, Mr. Nunchaku,

Thanx for the extra encouragement, but nothing ever comes between me and my training, regardless of what anyone says. I train so that I can be the best that I can, there is always better than me which is why I always push myself to train even harder, and I think that everyone should have that sort of attitude.

Tae Li;)

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Hi everyone. I: mean no rudeness to any of you, but could we return to the original topic of this thread. what not to do in a fight . . . alot of you say that you like to fight, but I think that that’s a bad thing to do in a fight if htat makes sense. I don’t think that you can always say that just because someone’s never been in a fight that they don’t know how to handle one. for instance, I’ve loved martial arts since i was a little tike running around in ninja turtle pj’s, but I’ve never been in a serious fight that wound up with people getting hurt. I’ve been in 6 fights, many with skilled MA’s, but I don’t like to fight. for me fighting is a way to help eachother fi that makes sense, but I don’t really like to hurt people if there’s no need. keep cool, find oout how to end the fight. I was recently taught the same palms up method mentioned earlier, but I don’t think I like it. it gets you too involved for my taste. make sure that you aren’t giving off the “I want to see if I’m better than you are” feeling, don’t talk trash. gaze straight into the nothing in front of their chestif the “playful” shoves I ingnore. don’t get wrapped up in it. I’ve had had a guy with 18" arms with his hands wrapped around my throat, but he felt the ice in my veins and let go (this guy was ***ed too, he was thoroughly sunburnt and I poured soda all over his back OUCH!!) but if they can feel that you are ready to take it to the level and they don’t know what you know, few people will be willing to take the risk. works for me anyways

-kevin

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P.S. I wouldn’t do that against someone that was drunk or something, or followed me hope and was already ready to fight without the b.s.

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:rolleyes:

If I wanted to kick the guy in the head it would be when he was on the ground.

People can make believe they are Andy Hung all they want but it’s not my gig.

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From my experience(little), Tae kwon do just plain simply SUCKS.Well,offcource “Ive seen only crappy schools”,thats the reason.Maybe I have something personal against the art?Oh..yes I have,maybe that fogs my mind a little?Maybe.Should you get ****t off by this post?Certanly not.Will you?By the heavens,offcource you will.:mad: