The yik kam slt training process

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1207106]what is the different if I am in my dead bed and telling the truth like late Gm Ipman did?

Should I look like Tom Cruse in the movie TOP GUN too before I die?

This will be the last reply I will response to you so I dont waste others bandwidth.[/QUOTE]

What I find very ironic is that youre a teacher of structure dealing with health, and cant master/remember the very first structure from when you begin to stand and walk.

This is a structure that is so important and thats guaranteed to cause chronic back pain/damage if done incorrectly. By teaching structures of health it should be something that you can actually fix.

This has nothing to do with how you look, its more on what you chose not to do, and something in which you chose not to do for a very long time; in which by now, you cant help but call it cosmetic.

Shame,

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[QUOTE=Ali. R;1207123]What I find very ironic is that you’re a teacher of structure dealing with health, and can’t master/remember the very first structure from when you begin to stand and walk.

This is a structure that is so important and that’s guaranteed to cause chronic back pain/damage if done incorrectly. By teaching structures of health it should be something that you can actually fix.

This has nothing to do with how you look, it’s more on what you chose not to do, and something in which you chose not to do for a very long time; in which by now, you can’t help but call it cosmetic.

Shame,[/QUOTE]

Thanks you have a great point!

I would improve next time!

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1207105]can you focus on the thread instead of jump all over to things which are not related ?[/QUOTE]

Anerlich commented on a direct quote that you posted, so it is relevent to the thread and a great point.

And Ali is correct from what I can tell by reading his quotes - you have no proper posture and horrible stance/root, so you don’t even practice qwhat you preach and should be ignored IMO.
And this isn’t just in this clip but in all of your clips, which is clear indication you don’t even understand the first concept of wing chun which is self centerline.

It’s really simple: No Center Line = no Wing Chun. IMO you’re posting in the wrong subforum since none of this has anything to do with wing chun at this point.

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can you focus on the thread instead of jump all over to things which are not related ?

You gave health advice on the thread. I responded to your rash and foolish actions.

Blather on about any other rubbish you want, but stop being grossly irresponsible by giving incorrect, unqualified and potentially dangerous medical and lifestyle advice to the impressionable.

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[QUOTE=anerlich;1207085]You have no medical qualifications, modern or TCMA, and people take your “advice” on health cultivation and maintenance at their peril.[/QUOTE]

If he were asking for money for imparting that advice which improved my health then yes, I would have concerns if he had no qualifications. Likewise, if he offered to do some forceful spinal realignment then yes, I would ask for his qualifications.

As for the simple exercises advised? Well, not much danger I can see there in giving them a go.

As for Ali.R, well, if you read what you wrote it sounds silly to levy your critique of Hendrik on the premise that he does not ‘stand up straight’ (presumably how one must stand), when talking to a camera.

I think other posters need to look at their recent posting records and reflect upon how their behavior is coming across to outside observers.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1207110]for those who like to see a diagram of the snake slide worm movemention in the utube.[/QUOTE]

Hendrik, those numbers represent the 7 ‘bows’ or joints?

Thing is in English there are two ways to say the word ‘bow’ [bou] and the plural ‘bows’. On youtube it sounds like you are using the meaning of ‘to bow’, as in a greeting or formal greeting gesture. The other meaning for the word ‘bow’ [boh] is a weapon, curved composite material or just wood with a string attached.

Yes, i know you know there are two meanings but the way you pronounce bow on youtube indicates the first meaning? I am thinking you mean to say bow as in the weapon?

I asked as I wanted to know if the phrase ‘Others walk the bow, I walk the string’, is referring to the 7 joints or bows on your diagram?

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Like the ‘engine’ concept

Hi Hendrik. Being new to this forum it took me a while to figure out who you were as you do not have any stats on your profile. I have seen some of your youtube.com videos and find them very informative. I like the concept of ‘engines’ that you explain in fairly good detail. I looked at the video you linked to on one of your posts and I enjoyed watching the ‘Tai Chi Chi Gung’ form. Is it not great to be able to train all of your life? That is the power of TCMA. We all do it differently and we all have different ideas about similar things, which is why it is art. Some people fight, some don’t. Some people are sick, some are healthy. Some people have vast knowledge of the arts and some people focus on just a very few things. Because of this, Gung fu is freedom. We do not have to agree on everything, nor do we have to know everything. The arts are long and life is short. Gung Fu is like walking through a thick forest with many different paths. There is no straight line and everybody takes a different path and picks different flowers along the way. All paths lead to the same place and when everybody gathers at the same place, we can show each other the flowers we have picked along the way. Some of the flowers may be weeds and people will say, “Oh, that is a weed and does not look pretty.” But the person who picked the weed says, “Yes but I like it and will keep it as part of my bouquet.” Then somebody has picked a bird-of-paradise and everybody says “Hey, that is a beautiful flower, give it to me.” But the person who picked the bird-of-paradise says, “I had to walk the long way around the forest to get this and I am too tired to look for another. Go get your own.” Then everybody becomes jealous. Just want you to know that I appreciate you Hendrik. Blessings and Peace to you.

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[QUOTE=SKM;1207151]Hi Hendrik. Being new to this forum it took me a while to figure out who you were as you do not have any stats on your profile. I have seen some of your youtube.com videos and find them very informative. I like the concept of ‘engines’ that you explain in fairly good detail. I looked at the video you linked to on one of your posts and I enjoyed watching the ‘Tai Chi Chi Gung’ form. Is it not great to be able to train all of your life? That is the power of TCMA. We all do it differently and we all have different ideas about similar things, which is why it is art. Some people fight, some don’t. Some people are sick, some are healthy. Some people have vast knowledge of the arts and some people focus on just a very few things. Because of this, Gung fu is freedom. We do not have to agree on everything, nor do we have to know everything. The arts are long and life is short. Gung Fu is like walking through a thick forest with many different paths. There is no straight line and everybody takes a different path and picks different flowers along the way. All paths lead to the same place and when everybody gathers at the same place, we can show each other the flowers we have picked along the way. Some of the flowers may be weeds and people will say, “Oh, that is a weed and does not look pretty.” But the person who picked the weed says, “Yes but I like it and will keep it as part of my bouquet.” Then somebody has picked a bird-of-paradise and everybody says “Hey, that is a beautiful flower, give it to me.” But the person who picked the bird-of-paradise says, “I had to walk the long way around the forest to get this and I am too tired to look for another. Go get your own.” Then everybody becomes jealous. Just want you to know that I appreciate you Hendrik. Blessings and Peace to you.[/QUOTE]

Thank you and appreciate !

It is only via sharing and learning we grow? As I say in my utube, I certainly don’t know everything and constantly learning.

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[QUOTE=Paddington;1207147]Hendrik, those numbers represent the 7 ‘bows’ or joints?

Thing is in English there are two ways to say the word ‘bow’ [bou] and the plural ‘bows’. On youtube it sounds like you are using the meaning of ‘to bow’, as in a greeting or formal greeting gesture. The other meaning for the word ‘bow’ [boh] is a weapon, curved composite material or just wood with a string attached.

Yes, i know you know there are two meanings but the way you pronounce bow on youtube indicates the first meaning? I am thinking you mean to say bow as in the weapon?

I asked as I wanted to know if the phrase ‘Others walk the bow, I walk the string’, is referring to the 7 joints or bows on your diagram?[/QUOTE]

1.Yes, the joints. The bow weapon. For ancient Chinese , Every joint is looked at as a bow where one can shoot arrow. So, the body has seven bows in total. Integrating the power of these seven bows is the full power. I refer to bow as the arrow and bow when I speak in the utube in general. Sorry if I confuse you.

2.It is great that you brought this joints and bow issue out, once you clear with it you can help me to have proper way of express it. I am a visual person who think in page so I can use lots of help with language.

  1. Not directly related to “the other walks the bow, ..” with the diagram. The bow in the diagram means joints.

However, it can be seen these following way.
Imho, I walk string means using the force Line type of power generation ,think as String is force line type or Jin type of power generation, Bow is physical mass type or body type power generation. this diagram is describing a force line type of power generation.

There is another explanation on i walk string and others walk bow . That is I walk string means I go direct to the center line within the middle door ie the straight biu jee to the center line, while walk bow is gong out side the middle door ,taking the outside path, ie, a swing. And of corse , the action of taking the path of direct middle door or out side door is depended to the power generation. The power generation needs to be able to support the operation. Otherwise it is like shoot straight to the center line but one cannot deliver the power needed on time. Thus, WCK needs short Jin because it needs the fast accelerate force flow to support taking that walking the string path Otherwise, too late.

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If you don’t like the word bow as the ancient chinese.

Think of each joint as a coil spring. So, the body has seven coil springs . And these seven coil spring can be used seperately or integrate as one.

So, in slt snake body transformation process these seven coil spring is activate and drill until one use them as a second natural. However before that, the yjkym transform and the hand swing transform as present in the YouTube is to make sure all joints or coil spring is reset to its neutral state. To be able to use it .

Thus, a jamming or hold on joint such as the knees or the hip or the lower back is trouble. That holding or jamming will cause stagnation on the force flow and latch up the joint or the coil spring. The body will break a part with different holding in different part of the body location unconscious or habitually.

Finally, once one drill and make these coil spring handing a second natural, one will play with these coil spring different ways to handle action and reaction force. That is refer to recieve and issue force flow or jin.

So, inch Jin joint power just means the coil spring generated force flow which can be release with very little action of the body limps via the coil spring.

These things are just simple things. But if it is not clear up and the process is not reveal. Then one can practice slt but really don’t know what is the goal of the training. However, if one knows the process then one will get transform because once one s body learn how to handle force via the seven coil spring in the siu Lin tau way. One will no longer use the brute force and latching , holding , to brute force power. But efficient coil spring handling.

And this snake body transformation is accorded with WCK chi sau and WCK combat strategy because they play with the sensing , receiving, and issuing of force flow.

Hope this help and not lost you. See, from the set, the chi sau, the combat, all is using the same type of power handling and keep refine it after the transformation or turn on the engine via siu Lin tao set.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1207164]

  1. Imho, I walk string means walking the force flow or Jin path and jin flow ,Jox ebook has a good definition on the Jin path, we use jonts as arrow bow to handle the Jin or force flow which is the string of the joints or bows. So, think about the Jin flow as a string while the joints as the arrow bow, we use the Jin or force line type of power. Instead of the body type of power generation. Hope this help[/QUOTE]

OK, so you have confirmed that the metaphor of the bow as a weapon is a good one to go with.

Whilst I am clear on what bow means in the saying ‘others walk the bow, I walk the string’, what I understand of it is dependent also upon what the term ‘walking’ is doing there.

The word ‘walking’ inclines me to view the saying as advice on combat in terms of passing through an opponents bows to be able to strike/control him/her.

Of course this colored my view of what I thought ‘string’ meant in that saying. At first I thought of a bow and the curve. I thought of the string connecting the two ends of the bow shaft; the string sitting on the shortest path between the ends of the bow.

Then again I got all literal and thought of the ‘string’ as the tendons and ligaments around my ‘bows’ and like you, the string as force through mine and the opponents body and ‘riding it’ (like a surfer :stuck_out_tongue: ), to the target.

Anyway, many possibilities.

EDIT: Could not resist one more. Yes, I know about storing an opponents force in the ‘bows’ and returning it to them; my terminology for what is physically occurring (‘elastic’ potential energy recovery systems (I like coining terms)) is different mind you.

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Once again, I’m not talking about his training

[QUOTE=Paddington;1207146]
As for Ali.R, well, if you read what you wrote it sounds silly to levy your critique of Hendrik on the premise that he does not ‘stand up straight’ (presumably how one must stand), when talking to a camera.[/QUOTE]

You guys keep going back to the training. I’m talking about the way he sits as well as the way he stands, which is nothing but bad posture. Which I believe is something a teacher should have under control when dealing with structures/health, which is obvious that he’s putting himself in the position of having back pain; unless his having back pain already….

When you talk to anyone you should have good posture, especially in front of a camera, it shows confidents in your ability and in what you are presenting. Unless he never had confidents in himself coming up in life and always held his head low, a sure sign of insecurity in which could be very understandable by English being a second language.

Which is why he feels paying attention to his normal posture or fixing it would be consider cosmetic, because he can’t stand or sit up straight for neglecting proper posture for so long.

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You have videos of your self standing on youtube right? Could you point me to one so I can also learn how to stand with confidence when teaching?

Or should I just browse any of your videos to see an exemplar par excellence!? Or is your posture better in a particular video that you think I should see?

Anyway, what do you think that saying means?

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You could do whatever you want to do; Im not putting myself out there as a healer and I know for sure my posture is better than his; I wear a suit and tie everyday and deal with management often and Im always told that they like the way I carry myself and with full of confidents. I just dont walk around with a hump in my back and head hanging low, it just wont pay if I do; because they’ll eat you alive where I work.

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[QUOTE=Paddington;1207179]OK, so you have confirmed that the metaphor of the bow as a weapon is a good one to go with.

Whilst I am clear on what bow means in the saying ‘others walk the bow, I walk the string’, what I understand of it is dependent also upon what the term ‘walking’ is doing there.

The word ‘walking’ inclines me to view the saying as advice on combat in terms of passing through an opponents bows to be able to strike/control him/her.

Of course this colored my view of what I thought ‘string’ meant in that saying. At first I thought of a bow and the curve. I thought of the string connecting the two ends of the bow shaft; the string sitting on the shortest path between the ends of the bow.

Then again I got all literal and thought of the ‘string’ as the tendons and ligaments around my ‘bows’ and like you, the string as force through mine and the opponents body and ‘riding it’ (like a surfer :stuck_out_tongue: ), to the target.

Anyway, many possibilities.

EDIT: Could not resist one more. Yes, I know about storing an opponents force in the ‘bows’ and returning it to them; my terminology for what is physically occurring (‘elastic’ potential energy recovery systems (I like coining terms)) is different mind you.[/QUOTE]

Imho, I walk string could means using the force Line type of power generation ,think as String is force line type or Jin type of power generation, Bow is physical mass type or body type power generation. this diagram is describing a force line type of power generation.

There is another explanation on i walk string and others walk bow . I walk string can means I go direct to the center line within the middle door ie the straight biu jee to the center line, while walk bow is going out side the middle door ,taking the outside path, ie, a swing. And of corse , the action of taking the path of direct middle door or out side door is depended to the power generation. The power generation needs to be able to support the operation. Otherwise it is like shoot straight to the center line but one cannot deliver the power needed on time. Thus, WCK needs short Jin because it needs the fast accelerate force flow to support taking that walking the string path Otherwise, too late.

Ps. I really ok with how different people coin the term. It is just for communication purpose. So ,as soon as it does the job.

Work on the process and get transform if you can. These above explanation is just expanation, experience the real thing , then you can describe it your way clearer. I trully recommended to female wcners to get transform. This will give them lots of advantage on power handling .

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[QUOTE=Ali. R;1207184] I just don’t walk around with a hump in my back and head hanging low, it just won’t pay if I do; because they’ll eat you alive where I work.[/QUOTE]

Sorry that you have to live with such a constant fear.

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It’s all good

[QUOTE=Paddington;1207186]Sorry that you have to live with such a constant fear.[/QUOTE]

I dont live in fear, Im a first line supervisor and a union rep and have fired an average of 2 to 3 people a year (something Im not proud of) because its my job to not f**k around; they fear me.

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[QUOTE=Ali. R;1207187]I dont live in fear, Im a first line supervisor and a union rep and have fired an average of 2 to 3 people a year (something Im not proud of) because its my job to not f**k around; they fear me.[/QUOTE]

Let us hope my slender 70KG frame will have the same effect once I qualify to work the doors of night clubs next month :slight_smile: . As long as I stand up straight and correct I should be fine!

On topic, Ali. R, what do you think the saying ‘others walk the bow, I walk the string’ means?

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Your line of questioning is highly awkward and not practical.

[QUOTE=Paddington;1207207]Let us hope my slender 70KG frame will have the same effect once I qualify to work the doors of night clubs next month :slight_smile: . As long as I stand up straight and correct I should be fine!

On topic, Ali. R, what do you think the saying ‘others walk the bow, I walk the string’ means?[/QUOTE]

Say that to a Judge who just made the Supreme Court, asks that to a Marine who just came home a hero or even a police officer; use that line of questioning to a high school principle or a son who just made a touchdown in front of his father or a daughter who did 3-4 years in ROTC.

What you are asking me is to weigh in or measure a structure that has always been a natural component of supporting our bodys anatomy to something that you and others here just came into within the latter part of your lives, compared to what every medical doctor and parent/grandparents alike has taught us.

AND they make computer chairs that the CIA designed that keeps the spine in line, I chose to walk and sit like a man of honor AND NOT sit with the insecurities of a street bum. Your statement holds no merit, and that line of questioning or negotiation falls on the one who has very bad natural posture while teaching structures of heath.

Im not here to debate your medicine or remedies, but to call it like everyone here sees it. If those categories that you mention on how to walk looks like Hendrik, then I want no part of it.

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This conversation interests me on a few fronts. First, thanks for the bow and string discussion guys. Very interesting.

Ali’s point to me brings up an important WCK concept. In TCM, we see a lot of animal imitation. Snake, crane, tiger, monkey, mantis, etc. Here’s an extreme example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxq-tC4CDcE

While there can be valuable movement and things learned from animal imitation, at the very core a human’s muscle and skeletal construction is unique and fighting movements are better served functioning according to how we are made up as opposed to how a crane or snake is made up.

However, I don’t want to discount Hendrik’s power generation development. What I like about it is it seems to be a relaxed fluid power generation and movement generation. To me relaxed and fluid movement under pressure with power generation is a very important thing to develop.

So anyway, a few things I like about the thread discussion.