A quote:When you compare ONLY the hand techniques verus ONLY the hands of boxing won’t Wing chun always fall somewhat behind?
((On both points depends on who learned what,when and how. Wing chun has much more hand work and footwork IMHO.
Also some folks are lazy in their wc training whreas boxers you see on TV are generally in top shape)))
Phil,
I sent you a PM.
As to your other questions:
Playing with TMA vs Others… in my very very limited exp, it doesnt matter, Ive decided some places and people just dont train well for fighting, and their “fighters” suck, others train correctly and have better results.
Tight hook:
“We” class tight hooks and elbows into the same category of motion. Most of my thoughts resemble Ernie’s.
There are focus mitt drills there designed for hooks and bobing and weaving, etc.
:eek:
CLF punch
Joy, it was me that wrote about the bong sau and the CLF strike.
CLF sometimes uses a corkscrew punch that crashes down on your arm and then changes direction sinking with the whole body(sometimes into a low horse), once they make contact with your bridge. The CLF guys that fought WC in HK always thought that the WC bong sau was easy to exploit. At least that’s what I used to hear form the old CLF guys I know.
yenhoi, Thanks.
Also I agree with you about the tight jab being treated like an elbow strike. In fact referees are alway on the lookout for a sneaky elbow behind the hook in some boxing matches.
ernie, you said that WC fights square on. Dod you mean shoulder to shoulder. Maybe I misunderstood what you wrote. I don’t fight shoulder to shoulder (square on).
Yeah talking about techinques will splinter some of us. Each has his own preferences and ablities. Plus, the dynamics of fighting can change so rapidly the technique that worked one time might not next time.
I find that fighting parallel arm/leg work better for me. I attempt to adjust my stance so that I’m parallel lead to my opponent. Of course you have to be able to work both parallel lead and cross lead. Can you share your thoughts on this?
brithlor
William Cheung has a few WC vs. Boxing tapes. I’ll have to check which one has him working with the peekaboo boxers.
phil
[[ernie, you said that WC fights square on. Dod you mean shoulder to shoulder/I’m parallel lead to my opponent]]
square body facing and parallel lead , same thing meaning both left and right hands are equal distance , basic slt facing but with footwork,
it’s been a hard transition for me as well , but the more natural it gets the easier things flow .
phil
can i add a new dimension to the possible lines of attack ,
elevation changes , high low high or any combination of this ,
meaning a person that starts a attack from a high reference point , sells it deep , right when he draws the counter drops tp a low reference point ,
for visual effects a high left jab to the face that leads to a low right cross to the belly and he drops elevation and steps off angle ?
i find many wing chun people have momentary lapses when the elevation changes quickly , i like this concept since it can condition reflexs when a guy fakes high and goes for the shoot 
Phil- I understand what you are saying about CLF strikes.
I have seen top quality CLF in (one eacH) seminar of tat mau wong and doc fai wong. I dont understinate themor anybody, But-
cutting througha frozen bong sao on contact is one thing- adynamic bong sao which adjusts upon contact is a different matter.
I dont draw too many inferences from the early youthful HK encounter stories.
ernie wrote: >>square body facing and parallel lead , same thing meaning both left and right hands are equal distance , basic slt facing but with footwork,<<
OK, I getcha. I like to face at a 45 degree to my opponent. My centerline facing away from his.
I was just about to post on the fake, shoot.
phil
I like to face at a 45 degree to my opponent
oh i didn’t mean facing him nose to nose , that’s a punches game , i’m not into trading blows , i ment square body as in the way i face arms can reach at equal length ,
in reference to the opponent i would rather break his position and ability to face me squarly but i am drifting of subject
re technician
hi phil to answer your ? re the chum kill punch , this punch of course is from the hk version phil as you i think trained as well, i would get a fried to hold two focus gloves at driffrent angles when he tries to bob and weave use the pining technique from the dummy and the uppercut at the same time, but this of course changes if the guy has the gloves on and then i would try to jam him peace russellsherry
re technician
hi phil re wing chun v choy lay fut , around 1979 i fought victor low from dave laceys school at sifu cheungs australian tourament, it was my first experreince victor while on the other hand had about 20 fights , and iwas no way in his class but the mongel punch i can remember was that choy lay fut long round punch if i had used bong sau with the gloves or tan suu it would have been worse expereince than it was but i try to use trying to tire him up tackics but he was far to good for me i n aggree with you on that phil gloves change eveything about wing chun we are not as good i also aggree with you i perfer bill sau against a tight hook peace russellsherry