Hello,
Absolutely not. Not likely at all. I can’t see any similarity at all to our wing chun stance. Not only that, it looks like any basic qigong stance I have come across so far. Quite common in China and not specific to Emei. A qigong style called “wai dan gong”, which I have some familiarity with, uses the same exact stance and even similar shaking exercises. So, similar to other qigong systems. Absolutely. Similar to wing chun…only if you want to believe in it. You really need a lot of imagination to see any similarity to wing chun.
So if you fused that stance with White Crane San Chin (which has more heels out) what do you think the result would be?
Why does the SLT “need” emei technology? Qigong technology to make a superior martial art? Doubtful.
Ask Miao Shun your styles founder!
I dont think it makes anything superior BTW. Healthy! Thats a different story.
When wing chun people refer to “sae ying” or “hok ying” in wing chun they refer to shapes of techniques resembling the body of a snake (tan, fook, dap, biu, etc.) or the wings of a crane (various forms of bong sao, saat kiu etc.). “Ying” means “shape”, not “engine.”
We are talking about two different things. Engine is what is cultivate after training. Its the difference between Mantis Gan Tun Geng and Taiji Peng Ging and Wing Chun Chuk Geng. I dont care much about the shapes that all arts pretty much have.
Both are included in the SLT and both have nothing to do with Qigong specific things in wing chun. SLT teaching body structure, power generation, stance dynamics, upper and lower body connection…yes…of course. Qigong? Emei “engine”. Nope.
YKS maxims state differently. Sum Nung also felt adding Kidney Breath exercises was important. Were they not practical martialists? BTW: You do not need forms to develop what you mentioned IMO.
Yongchun baihe influence? Maybe, there seem to be some similarities and this hypothesis is much more likely than the emei connection, but most likely no direct connection in my opinion. They might have similar sources but why does wing chun have to come from white crane? There’s just no logic behind it.
Fung, Cho, Yip, Yuen, Leung Guan Moon, Mai Gei Wong, etc etc etc all claim Snake and Crane. If we had no Crane relations then how is it that the Wing Chun folks got along so well with the White Crane practitioners that were already on the Red Junk? Would another Martial family allow some strangers to come in an ahng out in those days? There must have been some common ground!
Let’s not forget that non of the “origin” stories actually say that wing chun was developed from some snake style or crane style. The stories always refer to the snake/crane fight. A real snake and a real crane. S
Symbolic.
ince some people here are referring to the wing chun origin stories to justify the crane connection, we might as well read those stories literally, keeping in my still that they are just stories and not historical truth.
Totally agree and am not saying that my article is Historical Fact. Just some connections and thoughts.
Come on Jim. Those aren’t and probably never have been part of the “classical” Yongchun white crane system. Here you have their official curriculum:
The person with the Long Pole is Lee Kiang from Taiwan. Look him and his art up. The other foto was given to me by the Wulin White Crane board rep as he inherit a White Crane lineage. Both are Whtie Crane practitioner and both have these aspects.
Can’t find a long pole and a wooden dummy there. The wooden dummy training, in my opinion, is the real treasure and core of wing chun and maybe the key to the real origin of our art.
Agree to disagree.
How come only wing chun and “weng” chun have such elaborate wooden dummy training? I’ve seen the whole weng chun system including all three weng chun wooden dummy forms and it is absolutely clear to me that both wing chun and weng chun come from the same source.
Me to man! Perhaps White Crane “Weng” Chun mother system that has 350 years of history.
If one sees the dummy forms alone, one might think that they come straight from some unknown “wing” chun branch instead of another martial art called “weng” chun. Same applies to application and concepts, including the center line concept and “whole body” power/connection concepts.
What type of Geng does Weng and Wing produce? What is the mother set of each art? I have footage of Lun Gai exchanging techinques with Koo Lo and White Crane. White Crane did their Dummy set on there and yes its similar. Centerline concepts is prety common in south fist.
So, did “weng” chun also come from a fusion of Yong chun white crane and emei? I highly doubt it.
I agree with you. Probally like all arts, evolution had its effect on them to! ![]()
Did both arts come from Shaolin? Again, no idea.
Shaolin or not Shaolin doens’t mean sqwat to me. Same goes for Emei. Name is just a name. Content is all I care about.
Were they created by martial arts experts as ingeniously effective martial arts? You bet. If these experts were at shaolin or elsewhere is really quite unimportant.
Yes! I agree again but nothing comes from Poooof out of the air and since there are written records from numerous families we can try to find a more plausible. Wing Chun is not that old man. There were only so many arts out there. We come from something.
Try to hit the rest of it asap.
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