This is a great video !
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1266648]This is a great video! http://youtu.be/JsDR5oH-4Y4[/QUOTE]
I saw in the credits Rene Richie’s name mentioned. Is that for work he’s contributed in the past, or did he help out recently? I still find myself picking up his Complete Wing Chun book.
There is nothing about Wing Chun in this video ( aside wrong and incomplete interpretation ). I will make some wing chun “history” when I find some time to visit couple of old temples and museums here
[QUOTE=BPWT..;1266650]I saw in the credits Rene Richie’s name mentioned. Is that for work he’s contributed in the past, or did he help out recently? I still find myself picking up his Complete Wing Chun book.[/QUOTE]
It is part based on Rene, Robert, and mine article decades ago.
Around 2000, now many wcners have went to china to search out and bring the infor to us.
The following video is the connection to yik kam of red boat and Wck in 1848,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV72hr3Lmcs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Kleber style is very similar to Rene. He is a great researcher.
The following is his post in Facebook this morning
"The reason why I created this series of videos is because many people are guessing the history based on their own ideas. I thought was nice to base our history on the fact and documents we know as today Hendrik, cause I love the art and I also know that is easy to be led on the wrong direction, especially when it comes to Chinese kung fu, cause all the styles base their history on legends or fairytales, or try to link their origins to famous or fictional characters.
We know for a fact nowadays that Wing Chun come from Fujian White Crane and Emei 12 zhuang, and video documentation to prove this is coming very soon "
Btw,
The Taiping heavenly kingdom army was train by Choy Lee Fut.
Yik kam and The Cho family involved with the taiping uprising , Choy Lee Fut , and the anti Qing heaven and earth association.
The kuit of the half point of the six point half pole of the yik kam Wck of cho family says:
Half point center line pole settle the TaiPing.
Which is echo to the last kuit of the SLT or the salutation which says
Sword finger bong elbow presents to the Hero
We do know what exist will leave a trace.
Thus, thanks for the Cho family ancestors to protect and keep these data, it is a very important data points of 1848 for Wck history and DNA.
documentation… interesting. does someone have a video tape of someone performing wing chun in 1850? 1848, 1890?
turn on my snake engine
i need to turn on my snake engine, and wiggle my snake lol
i watched the history channel the other day, and now i know what technique george washington used to chop down the cherry tree! oh wait…that story was made up!
Thanks for the links Hendrik.
[QUOTE=deejaye72;1266683][said some stuff][/QUOTE]
Look, there is just no need for posts such as the ones you provide. They do your character a disservice. If you don’t agree with Hendrik just say so and leave it at, no need for the jibes.
[QUOTE=Paddington;1266706]Look, there is just no need for posts such as the ones you provide. They do your character a disservice. If you don’t agree with Hendrik just say so and leave it at, no need for the jibes.[/QUOTE]
but okay for him to do it to me. thats different. are you a student? do you have video footage of this wing chun from the 1800’s?
[QUOTE=Paddington;1266704]Thanks for the links Hendrik.[/QUOTE]
You are welcome!
More will come, many indepent researchers have done research from different location .
Kleber is from WSL , Wan Kam Leung lineage, working with many party of wcners including Wing Chun illustrate.
It is great that he brough us to different locations in china to show us.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1266648]This is a great video !
http://youtu.be/JsDR5oH-4Y4[/QUOTE]
Cool video about the Taiping rebellion! Thanks for sharing! Doesn’t really say anything about Wing Chun though.
[QUOTE=KPM;1266714]Cool video about the Taiping rebellion! Thanks for sharing! Doesn’t really say anything about Wing Chun though.[/QUOTE]
IMHO,
One can see what happen on that era, weapon such as the long pole they use and the scope of the war, also how red boat involve with all of these.
As above, we know from yik kam data point, red boat Wck is involve with taiping.
So, there is no shao Lin in that era but anti qing.
As in the Map, From red boat opera Lee Man Mau is the leader at the national level.
Lee man mau is from Hok San or ku lo area.
In one of the hung mun book found, Leung LAN Kwai name was address, as nick name NG Mui. Later fleet after the uprising lost. We know Leung LAN Kwai is hung mun member , and these people are from kulo area.
With the following evidence
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?67571-A-well-made-wck-history-video-from-china&p=1266671#post1266671
We can see what is likely to happen.
This is also a way of verify the yik kam kuit documents . To see does things match up
There is no tan sau NG or other name mention .
Interesting! So the implication is that Leung Lan Kwai was likely the guy that was responsible for teaching the “Red Boat” version of Wing Chun as we have come to know it through Yip Man, Yuen Kay Shan, Pin Sun, and Yik Kam lineages? “Ng Mui” was a codename for him, implying that he was the one that “formulated” or “developed” Wing Chun? So any stories prior to LLK is the stuff of myths and legends? Would Leung Lan Kwai have been Leung Jan’s teacher? Or Wong Wah Bo? How is the current theory shaping up?
[QUOTE=KPM;1266717]Interesting! So the implication is that Leung Lan Kwai was likely the guy that was responsible for teaching the “Red Boat” version of Wing Chun as we have come to know it through Yip Man, Yuen Kay Shan, Pin Sun, and Yik Kam lineages?
“Ng Mui” was a codename for him, implying that he was the one that “formulated” or “developed” Wing Chun?
So any stories prior to LLK is the stuff of myths and legends? Would Leung Lan Kwai have been Leung Jan’s teacher? Or Wong Wah Bo? How is the current theory shaping up?[/QUOTE]
If we view Late GM Fung chun video on LLK release from Jim Rosalendo. It matches with the Chinese history in that era.
We can see extreme likely LLK is the chief who taught in the red boat.
So, extreme likely red boat wing chun 1848 is LLK wing chun.
From the history of that era, we know yik kam is under Lee man mau. WWB would be in the same generation as in Gm Fung Chun video on LLK and WWB.
Leung jan really doesn’t appear in the radar screen. Also, Leung jan king of kungfu title will not hold in the era of costing 20 millions Chinese life from both Qing and anti Qing side. The era I named it as " the battle of hundred of generals" as you can see the name listed in the map in the above video. No one is king at that era , the war zone spread out with handred of generals battle in different locations. With CLF is the major player. It is a bloody war and people just carry out their specific mission. Leung jan is the later generation. Very likely Not involve in this battle.
We know at that era every anti qing is lying, no one will tell the true identify, thus, they use nick name and shao Lin…etc however, we do know any evolution of Wck from pre 1848 got to be the design of LLK. Because no one is as advance as him at that era. Yik kam is junior compare with LLK in term of Wck skill. One can verify this with Gm Fung chun story from kulo side too.
We know today, giving those era and the education of the people, Wck post 1848 evolve into a tool for specific mission. There is no time to train. No one has time to get into six core elements or seven bows or force flow like us today who live in peaceful era.
As in the above video, the anti Qing red boat opera is gone after 1855. At around 1870 a new red boat opera started, but these people are Qing support are not the same as the pre 1855, who has lost life or fleet away. Ie. If you look at the history of Fung siu Ching, he time line is abovious not relate to the pre 1855.
IMHO,
As for prio to LLK, my view is the Art of Wck is from Yim family and Leung family related to kulo. We don’t know the name real name of wing chun, but she existed.
Wing chun as the Shang hai Dien chun or pointing spring are just anti Qing naming.
Some guy from emei , fuse emei and fujian white crane created the art of SLT which looks like pre 1800 fujian white crane And later passed to leung family of kulo, LLK took it to red boat and that is the beginning of Wck. Before that the art is named SLT . Our break though today is we found the released of the emei documents which matches the YKSLT kuit. Otherwise no one will know what is going on. And still we don’t know who in emei did it eventhough we know today, just showing the set to an unknown emei sifu, they will jump saying this is related to us. And this type of incident have already happen.
they can match up any document they want. nobody can know for sure what that art looked like in application. unless, of course they have video footage to prove it. every single art changes. we have video evidence of boxing from the 1800’s..it barely looks like the same art in comparison. everything changes. the only thing constant is change. god’s law, jehovah’s law, buddha’s law..whatever you want to call it. even if he or one of his students beat me up tomorrow, it still wouldn’t prove anything, because they could have learned the skills from another martial art. how would you know?? an ancient document? one of those documents he’s accused of stealing, mind you!
go out, learn other styles, compare notes, get the sh!t beat out of you! there are no secrets, the secret is your body, you already have it.
Wing chun is forsure not her real name.
The anti Qing using the term chun or spring all over the place. As in eternal spring hall…etc
Attached is the Dien chun hall of Shang hai small knive society. Kleber will bring you there in his next video.
Chun means play or opera.
Wing chun kuen is simply means the the martial art of those who sing the play or opera from the red boat.
Mark are the Chinese history on lee man mau uprising and involve with a person from the Cho family resident area.
Thus,
With the CLF information, the Hung Mun information, the Chinese history record converges, we know Cho family is extremely likely to involve in the uprising. The Cho and Yik kam belongs to the opera and living in the area.
This means the content in the YKSLT kuit is real. Which means the mother of SLT at 1848
is indeed Emei and fujian white crane.
