So out of everywhere in the world, who do you feel are the top WC instructors/schools? I’ve always kept a list of teachers of various styles I’ve heard good things about, for when I travel I can go meet them or check them out, so post who you feel are quality teachers or practitioners in your area.
Here’s a few great teachers from my list of Southern California, for Wing Chun
Robert Chu
Hawkins Cheung
Gary Lam
Thomas Wong (haven’t had a chance to meet him yet, but I’ve heard good things)
I like Master Wong out of the UK. Some people dislike him because they say he isn’t a true WC man but to me that is B.S.
william cheung
gary lam
michael wong
and this one master i forget his name he was one the human weapon episode on kung fu demoing wing chun on the great wall
(Not in any order)
Ip Chun
Tsui Shong Tin
Lo Man Kam
Gary Lam
Wan Kam Leung
Wang Zhi Peng
Grand Master Wang Zhi Peng is the one in Human weapon demo-ing on the great wall.
Grand Master Gary Lam is the Sifu of the Year in 2006 and received an award for the World Ving Tsun Athletic Association Hall of Fame for his contributions to Ving Tsun, and also undefeated champion of HK Full contact competition in 78-79
Grand Master Wan Kam Leung is the man they call the “real bruce lee”, fought a group of gangsters with parangs and defeated them. Instructor of the G4 Summit Law Enforcers in HK.
Grand Master Lo Man Kam is the nephew of Ip Man, and instructed Taiwan Police and Eastern European Special Forces.
Grand Master Tsui Shong Tin, also known as the King of Siu Nim Tao.
Last but not least, Grand Master Ip Chun is the son of Yip Man Si Jo, his forms and preservation of the Wing Chun and Chinese cultural heritage is impeccable.
Of course there are many others who are amazing people doing Wing Chun whom i also greatly respect and admire.
WITHOUT INTENTION OF MAKING THIS A THREAD OF WHO CAN FIGHT OR NOT…
What are we using to define as “top wc guys”?
Unless the definition includes fighting capabilities…
[QUOTE=grasshopper 2.0;950426]WITHOUT INTENTION OF MAKING THIS A THREAD OF WHO CAN FIGHT OR NOT…
What are we using to define as “top wc guys”?
Unless the definition includes fighting capabilities…[/QUOTE]
Well, I suppose we could make up different categories to judge this. Let me see, besides fighting, what is there?
Scale of 1 to 10?
Best?
Larry, Curly and Mo
and some trolls in this forum.
[QUOTE=grasshopper 2.0;950426]WITHOUT INTENTION OF MAKING THIS A THREAD OF WHO CAN FIGHT OR NOT…
What are we using to define as “top wc guys”?
Unless the definition includes fighting capabilities…[/QUOTE]
Hah, I saw the thread and came to post this.
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
[QUOTE=grasshopper 2.0;950426]WITHOUT INTENTION OF MAKING THIS A THREAD OF WHO CAN FIGHT OR NOT…
What are we using to define as “top wc guys”?
Unless the definition includes fighting capabilities…[/QUOTE]
Mainly teaching ability. Fighting ability is great too, but many of the best teachers are long past their prime. I’m mainly looking for people who have schools or are active teachers.
[QUOTE=AdrianK;950468]Mainly teaching ability. Fighting ability is nice, but many of the best teachers are long past their prime. I’m mainly looking for people who have schools or are active teachers.[/QUOTE]
So then their teaching ability would be judged by how well their students can fight.
as far as whod kick in arse in a real fight id still pick the guys i did they are both frighteningly skilled
[QUOTE=goju;950474]as far as whod kick in arse in a real fight id still pick the guys i did they are both frighteningly skilled[/QUOTE]
Sweet, what fights have they been in? Any caught on video?
[QUOTE=Phrost;950476]Sweet, what fights have they been in? Any caught on video?[/QUOTE]
william cheung along with gary lam were noroious streetfighters as were most of yip mans students theres vids of them fighting when they were young
as far as the the others go i have no clue know nest to nothing about peng or wong
[QUOTE=goju;950478]william cheung along with gary lam were noroious streetfighters as were most of yip mans students theres vids of them fighting when they were young
as far as the the others go i have no clue know nest to nothing about peng or wong[/QUOTE]
Well anecdotes are one thing, but if you’re going to make an informed ranking on people’s fighting ability it helps to have actual evidence to look at.
And the only video I’ve seen of William Cheung involves him on his back flailing helplessly from Emin Boztepe’s schoolyard bully takedown, neither of which involved any actual Wing Chun.
If you can dig those videos up, I’d love to host them for you.
[QUOTE=Phrost;950479]Well anecdotes are one thing, but if you’re going to make an informed ranking on people’s fighting ability it helps to have actual evidence to look at.
And the only video I’ve seen of William Cheung involves him on his back flailing helplessly from Emin Boztepe’s schoolyard bully takedown, neither of which involved any actual Wing Chun.
If you can dig those videos up, I’d love to host them for you.[/QUOTE]
actually in that video emin didnt take them down and the start you can see william has him in a headlock and then they both slip on their arses of course then to emins favour the tape gets so dark you cant see anything thats goin on until you see him turning to run before the tape ends 
dont have a flashplayer cant watch the majority of videos on the net
Without the fighting ability, the teaching ability means nothing. ESPECIALLY IN SUCH A “CONCEPT-ORIENTED” ART. I mean, what a shocker if someone mentioned a wing chun instructor who was teaching him all this “stuff” (forms, chi sao, wooden dummy, drills)…and none of it worked after spending x amount of years in the school and getting into a streetfight, huh?
I mean, like that has never happened, has it? 
And most of the people think that the master is going to do all these fancy moves wheN he fights i remember a interview with some white crane master and he was asked what he would do if some one was going to attack him
and he simply said hed just get up off his chair and slug him in the jaw
[QUOTE=Phrost;950472]So then their teaching ability would be judged by how well their students can fight.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. I’d love to see some legitimate proof of fighting ability, but I know how rare that is in the WC world… though Alan Orr’s folk are looking pretty good.
Interesting to have you here Phrost, I’ve been going to Bullshido since the days it was known as Mcdojo.com, how long have you been on KFM?
Anyways, Welcome. Its great to have you here.
Without the fighting ability, the teaching ability means nothing. ESPECIALLY IN SUCH A “CONCEPT-ORIENTED” ART. I mean, what a shocker if someone mentioned a wing chun instructor who was teaching him all this “stuff” (forms, chi sao, wooden dummy, drills)…and none of it worked after spending x amoount of years in the school and getting into a streetfight, huh?!
I mean, like that has never happened, has it?!
I don’t mean to play down the fighting ability. I don’t include it because many of these teachers are pretty old. I could touch hands with someone like Gary Lam or Thomas Wong and feel some skill, but they’re so far past their primes that any legitimate proof of their fighting ability is going to be hard to come by. Like Freddie Roach is a great trainer but his fighting abilities are severely degraded from age and health issues.
It’d be great to see videos of them fighting. But its not very common. As Phrost said too, to judge it by their students but I doubt I’ll ever find videos of their students fighting.
Ok, so I’m going to have to go - hands down - Grandmaster Ip Ching, youngest son of Great Grandmaster Ip Man.
From there I’ll go with some of his students and grandstudents including Samuel Kwok, Master Edmond Fong Wing Hong, Sifu Matt Johnson (Chicago) , Sifu Chris Damiano (Florida), there are others as well…other peeps that I consider top are Master Paul Smith and Master Billy Davidson (Scotland and UK respectively)…I have listened to David Peterson’s stuff and I like his presentation knowledge of Wing Chun from Wong Shong Leung…ummm…Danny Halligan (student of Eric Lee, from Iowa), I’ll give my props to Ip Chun but I can’t say I prefer his method over his brothers approach.
my personal criteria goes with knowledge of the system as well as fighting capability
Moses
is this title not too open to personal interpretation?
how about a ‘sifu wishlist’?
in no particular order
Barry Lee
Ng Chun Hong
Gary Lam
Kwok Wan Ping
Tom Wong
Andreas Hoffman
Philipp Bayer
Michael Tang
Cheung Wai Poh
Duncan Leung
Allan Lee
Fung Keung
David Peterson - amazing book on WSL
the list could go on for days!
I’m very happy with my instructor, most are on here because they offer a slightly different perspective on the same theme, some just out of interest in their system, but mostly on reputation alone.
there are many less known people that would be interesting too, who I imagine you could learn a lot from
Kev Bell
Kev Gledhill - IMHO the best poster on here. makes things nice & easy!
Joseph Cheng
Hendrik Santo - i think he has some real skill to offer, you have to bear in mind English is not his 1st language
Joseph Lee
Alan Lamb
i would also genuinley like to see what Kenneth Ing of Black Flag had to offer, just out of interest