You mean this one…
http://www.chinalanguage.com/cgi-bin/char.cgi?93D6
One question…why does the character “biao” minus the gold radical also mean to “cultivate the land?” What is the connection between fire, deers and cultivating land?
Originally posted by Fu-Pow
[B]XJ-
Have you seen the other forms we were talking about earlier such as Si Ying, Ma Ying or Hau Ying?
What kind of flavor or what kind of techs do these form utilize? [/B]
I have seen these three you mentioned, Si Ying uses a lot of palm techniques and low stances, Ma Ying is very strong in the footwork and Dan Lan and Hau Ying is fun to watch, some movements are surprisingly deadly like rolling along the ground and come up under your crouch with a Yum Waat!
I am going to go back into my cave now and give you guys some peace. Frank, its your turn!
CLFNole, no hard feelings, you have a nice year of the monkey too and watch out for that yum waat from you know who!
Extrajoseph:
My year is monkey and we had my sister-in-law go to the temple in HK to see if this is a good year for us to have a child. Much to my delight the fortune was good although they indicated a girl. A girl would be fine but if she is like my wife she will prefer shopping to kung fu.
Had a question for you. I think you are familiar with Sifu Poon Fun. Well I have his Ng Lun Ma book and while similar to the version I know it is different in some areas. It is also different from the Chan Wing Fa version I have on vcd. I was wondering which yours is like since your dad is from the Chan Yiu Chi line although not through the family line. Is it more like the Chan Family vcd or Poon Fun’s book?
Peace.
Animal kung fu is very good, especially clf and hung gar. That’s because there’re lots of animals in southern china to learn from.
Dragon strong but slow swinging action that relies on finger strength to grab an opponent to pull him down. The style looks regal and magestic.
Tiger beats dragon is less strong but faster. Uses the heal of the palm to pry open the opponent’s bridge as you rush in and claw them with your fingers. Not much leg work.
Snake is faster and beats tiger. teaches you to stick to the opponent like wing chun but has the advantage of powerful finger strikes with proper conditioning.
Crane beats snake. Swinging arms to beat off opponents, plus front kicks, crane beak strike and good evasion with nimble foot work.
Leapord is a smaller cat and does not use claws. It uses the paw to throw quick punches at the opponent. It has round hits, upper cuts and tends to leap from a crouching position. Pound for pound, a leapord is stronger than a tiger.
Ego, are you , like, feeling OK man?
CLFNole,
Good luck, a Monkey dad with a Monkey girl will be great but make sure you have two bathrooms in the house, when she grows up she will hog one for sure.
I have not seen CWF’s vcd but Poon Fun’s picture book looked close enough to what I have learned, I remembered thinking ours got a few more moves.
JX
Fu-Pow,
Originally posted by Fu-Pow
[B]You mean this one…
http://www.chinalanguage.com/cgi-bin/char.cgi?93D6
One question…why does the character “biao” minus the gold radical also mean to “cultivate the land?” What is the connection between fire, deers and cultivating land? [/B]
In primative time, China was full of trees and deers, the farmers lived in this environment and had a strong identification with them. If they want to cultivate the land they have to first clear the land with fire by chopping down the trees and burn them to use as fertilizer and the deers began to disappear…
Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? The way we continue to destroy our environment.
Did you know the deer radical with the earth radical under means dust? When a herd of deers starts to run they sure kick up a lot of earth and made the dust.
I love the picturegrams of Chinese characters, they can tell such interesting stories just by looking at them.
JX
Other good animals styles are
Dog kung fu, which is great for ground fighting and take downs. Most styles can beat the tiger and dragon, but not the leapord, snake or crane.
Monkey is good and better than the snake or leapord. Lizard kung fu is very powerful, allows rooting on walls. Eagle claw is powerful due to the finger strength - rips through flesh and crushes bones.
A person who knows eagle would break the arms and legs of someone who knows tiger kung fu before crushing his wind pipe and making him spit blood as he rolls in agnoy on the ground.
Praying Mantis is the most powerful. The mantis hook pierces flesh, which makes it faster than the eagle. It is truly a thundering style. In the time the eagle takes to crush the bones and break the joins, the mantis claw would have pierces the sides, rib cage or vital arteries of his opponent.
In all finger strength and flexibility are the main requirements of kung fu.
Extrajoseph:
One of the reasons I asked was because I wondered how the teachings were directly through the family (ie. Sifu Chan Wing Fa)versus students of the family (i.e. your father would studied with Chan Yiu Chi).
I was curious if forms were different (seems like as forms pass generations they change somewhat) and if students outside the family were exposed to all 10 animal sets or were some kept in the family?
Also were all the internal sets kept in the family or were they passed to some high-level (long time) non-family students?
I also never realized than Chan Yiu Chi had a brother. Not much is mentioned of him in CLF history you can read in english. Do you know of him? Are his students around today?
Peace.
CLFNole
The transmission of Chan Family CLF has always been feudalistic in nature, the higher level forms get passed down only through the family members and the inner chamber disciples. It is only during recent times that the internal sets and the rare animal forms were taught openly and to the western students.
My father’s generation seldom taught openly for various reasons (in my father case he was very rich and there is no need for him to teach kung fu for a living, he only taught me and my cousin but he gave it away years ago) and the Chan family was isolated in China until after the Cultural Revolution, so it was not until Chan Wing Fat made his way to Australia that we get to see some of their family art.
Because we are human it is only natural that one generation taught slightly different to another, but the essence was always there.
Chan Yiu Chi had a brother and a sister but they did not continue the family tradition so they don’t have any surviving students today, hence we don’t hear anyone mentioning them.
JX
It really depends on what animals were around the villages. If its prone to tigers then they learn tiger. Sarmers also work extensively with ox, and would leaen ox kung fu. Snakes and cranes are also quite common.
Better Late Than Never
Too bad I just discovered this thread today. Hopefully some of those who were taking part in this discussion are still around:confused:
In reading through, I see that everyone pretty much agreed that the 10th animal of CLF (the Biu) was some type of Golden/Fire Deer. Now, I’m not a CLF player in any way, I’m strictly Ng Ga Kuen of Ark Y. Wongs lineage. I have done quite a bit of research on the origins, commonalities and differences of the Five Family Styles (Fut, Hung, Choy, Li, Mok). In regards to this topic in particular, my research has led me to believe that, at minimum, Ng Ga Kuen, Hung Ga and CLF all have the same list of 10 animals (Dragon, Snake, Tiger, Leopard, Crane, Lion, Monkey, Elephant, Horse, and Biu). However, in the process of my research, I have never heard the “Biu” reffered to as some type of deer and have never seen the character that was previously posted here. What I have discovered to be common amongst our Family Styles, is the the “Biu” is always reffered to as a creature related to the large cat family; sometimes called Panther, Jaguar, Tiger Cub or Small Tiger.
The way it was explained to me by GM Ma Seming was that when GM Wong Ark Yuey first introduced the form to non-chinese students, he called the Biu, the Panther for the sake of simplicity; but, that the “Biu” is actually a mythical beast known only in Chinese culture. It is somewhat like a small yet very strong tiger.
The character that I have found to be commonly used for this creaturer is:
I would like to know more about the “deer” story and to know others interpretation of the “Biu” which I have discussed.
Steven Perez
S5CBA
[QUOTE=extrajoseph;449534]The transmission of Chan Family CLF has always been feudalistic in nature, the higher level forms get passed down only through the family members and the inner chamber disciples. It is only during recent times that the internal sets and the rare animal forms were taught openly and to the western students.
My father’s generation seldom taught openly for various reasons (in my father case he was very rich and there is no need for him to teach kung fu for a living, he only taught me and my cousin but he gave it away years ago) and the Chan family was isolated in China until after the Cultural Revolution, so it was not until Chan Wing Fat made his way to Australia that we get to see some of their family art.
Because we are human it is only natural that one generation taught slightly different to another, but the essence was always there.
Chan Yiu Chi had a brother and a sister but they did not continue the family tradition so they don’t have any surviving students today, hence we don’t hear anyone mentioning them.
JX[/QUOTE]
Hello Joseph X:cool: Gung Fu and the cultural revolution is a very interesting part of history to me plus I’m fascinated by the culture of CLF. What was it like for the Chan fam during the cultural revolution?. In Robert smith’s Martial Musings text his friend Rose who was around Sun Lu Tang and them back in the day mentioned that Chen Style Tai Ji fam were all addicted to opium during WW2 as there was so much depression and very little food…they survived on weeds, tai ji and chasing the dragon:(. Very fascinating parts of history, would you please share some CLF war stories?
[QUOTE=redmantis3;862271]Too bad I just discovered this thread today. Hopefully some of those who were taking part in this discussion are still around:confused:
In reading through, I see that everyone pretty much agreed that the 10th animal of CLF (the Biu) was some type of Golden/Fire Deer. Now, I’m not a CLF player in any way, I’m strictly Ng Ga Kuen of Ark Y. Wongs lineage. I have done quite a bit of research on the origins, commonalities and differences of the Five Family Styles (Fut, Hung, Choy, Li, Mok). In regards to this topic in particular, my research has led me to believe that, at minimum, Ng Ga Kuen, Hung Ga and CLF all have the same list of 10 animals (Dragon, Snake, Tiger, Leopard, Crane, Lion, Monkey, Elephant, Horse, and Biu). However, in the process of my research, I have never heard the “Biu” reffered to as some type of deer and have never seen the character that was previously posted here. What I have discovered to be common amongst our Family Styles, is the the “Biu” is always reffered to as a creature related to the large cat family; sometimes called Panther, Jaguar, Tiger Cub or Small Tiger.
The way it was explained to me by GM Ma Seming was that when GM Wong Ark Yuey first introduced the form to non-chinese students, he called the Biu, the Panther for the sake of simplicity; but, that the “Biu” is actually a mythical beast known only in Chinese culture. It is somewhat like a small yet very strong tiger.
The character that I have found to be commonly used for this creaturer is:
I would like to know more about the “deer” story and to know others interpretation of the “Biu” which I have discussed.
Steven Perez
S5CBA[/QUOTE]
Hello Steven, I wonder does the Monkey in your list resemble Tai Shing Pek Gwa?
James
Biu is the Tiger Cub…
The tiger without claws…
Do any of you guys have a 10 animal form??
I admit though, we didn’t know what it was for a few years…lol
[QUOTE=Lama Pai Sifu;862310]Biu is the Tiger Cub…
The tiger without claws…
Do any of you guys have a 10 animal form??
I admit though, we didn’t know what it was for a few years…lol[/QUOTE]
that’s pretty knowledgeable for a non-CLF-practicing, no-CLF-sifu-having, rich-boy, size-D-man-bra-wearing, no “sheet” knowing mo fo (did I leave anything out?)
Some refer to Tiger Cub as the 10th animal while others refer to Deer. I believe the Chan Family considers deer, whereas i recall DFW using tiger cub.
A baby animal if you will would seem rather odd to me. I remember XJ describing the deer form some time ago in this post in fact. If I recall it was a bit of an obscure character combining the character for lok - “deer” with another.
[QUOTE=CLFNole;862316]Some refer to Tiger Cub as the 10th animal while others refer to Deer. I believe the Chan Family considers deer, whereas i recall DFW using tiger cub.
I baby animal if you will would seem rather odd to me. I remember XJ describing the deer form some time ago in this post in fact. If I recall it was a bit of an obscure character combining the character for lok - “deer” with another.[/QUOTE]
The Tiger Cub and the Golden Deer are ****nyms in Chinese…but if XJ is correct, the character is the deer, not the Tiger Cub.
EO
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;862320]The Tiger Cub and the Golden Deer are ****nyms in Chinese…but if XJ is correct, the character is the deer, not the Tiger Cub.
EO[/QUOTE]
Lol at h0monyms being censored.
EO