I took the following article from this link:http://www.clfsd.com/articles.html#system
THE SYSTEM OF CHOY LEE FUT TRANSLATED FROM NOTES
BY MASTER CHEN YONG FA
Author: Lane Louie
There are a total of 148 forms in the choy lee fut system. These are subdivided into 3 levels: primary, secondary and tertiary. Apart from the fist forms, there are also weapons as well as 18 different types of dummies, which are also divided into these 3 categories of primary, secondary and tertiary. Even lion dance routines are another category of the choy lee fut system.
Each category is further subdivided into “soft”, “hard”, external, internal, long, short, and medium ranges for the weapons categories.
In the primary level fist forms, there are 10 forms, these are:
1.“ng lun ma” ( 5 wheel horse)
2.“ng lun choy” ( 5 wheel fist)
3,“siu moi fa kuen” ( small pum blossum fist)
4.“siu sup ji kuen” ( small cross form)
5."sup ji jit fu kuen’ ( cross blocking tiger form)
6.“peng kuen” (level fist form)
7."peng jang kuen’ ( level elbow form)
8.“tet ji cheung kuen” ( iron arrow long form)
9.“kung jl fook fu kuen” ( subjuing the tiger form)
10.“sup jl kou da kuen” ( cross pattern fighting form)
At the primary level the first type of techniques are “oi lem sou” or external hands. These are “long external hands” which are predominant in the above forms. The main type of techniques are the "long gwa chui’s, cheung gnarn chui’s, sol chui’s etc. There is a lot of importance placed at the primary level in training the various “horse stance” fundamentals to enable the choy lee fut practitioner to be able to fully utilise and harness all the power generated not only by the stance work but also to use the waist and co-ordinate the “whole body” into one effective unit.
Each form at the primary level teaches the choy lee fut practitioner to target specific areas as well as use particular techniques. Even the direction in which a form is executed has “specifics”. The way power is generated ~ different in certain forms
For example in “siu moi fa kuen” the movements are mainly in a linear direction and the techniques targeted are: "charp chui, chen ji, biu jong, dert jeung.
The power is generated by fast and flowing movements eg.-
- “siu sup ji” again the main techniques are: “chen ji, biu jong, cup chui, sol chui”; “jet fu kuen”: "chen ji, pek chui, biu jong, chet kiu; "peng jang’: "loy yum,cheung gnarn chui,charp chui, and the main emphasis or target area is the “middle section”.
- “tet jin cheung kuen” teaches maneuverability in using the left and right feet as well as single foot movements.
- "sup ji kou da kuen’ places emphasis on the following techniques: "cheung gnarn chui,charn jeung,pow jeung, jin ji.
- “kung gee fook fu” targets the “fu jow (tiger claw), cup chui, gwa chui and poe chui”.
Apart from the fist techniques, there is also emphasis on different stance work within the forms. In the “short forms” of choy lee fut, different forms highlight “particular stances, for example in “peng kuen” the main points are the “tun ma”(swallow), “tol ma (forward bias horse stance) as well as teaching how to “slide” using the horse stance. The horse stance is also “broken down” into “high and low” stances as well as allowing mobility in both offensive and defensive modes. In each of these modes, the use of the “horse stance” allows the practioner to develop and utilse the power differently. For example when on the offensive, using the” tol ma” technique the power is projected forward, whereas when in the “retreat” mode using “tun ma” or “deel ma” the power is still projected forward but the amount of power generated from the stance is inherently different.
Even the way techniques are executed are trained differently. What this means is the way power is generated and applied. For example in" peng jang’ (level elbow) the power is fast, flowing and strong, in "kung gee fook fu’ the power is strong and slower. Even the energy levels vary from form to form. For example in the “short forms” there is often a “burst” of continuous energy whereas in the “long forms” one must learn to “pace” oneself and train for “endurance” rather than outright speed. At all times one must remember that all the forms are teaching one how to practice for “combat”.
At the secondary level, there are a total of 13 fist forms. These are:
1."sze mourn kiu jo sarng ma ( 4 door bridging, running the live horse)
2."sup baat lohan kuen’( 18 lohan hands -internal clf form.
3.“jor yol dan keuk kuen” ( left & right alternating Single leg form)
4.“oi lem bic da soy sou ying yang kung”(External yin yang sticky exercise for close fighting and hand breaking)
- “dai bagua kuen” ( large bagua fist form)
- "siu bagua kuen’ ( small bagua fist form)
- “moi fa bagua kuen” ( plum blossum bagua fist form)
- “dat ting bagua kuen”(Achieving Harmony Bagua fist form)
- “yee jong bagua kuen”(Strong Righteousness Bagua fist form)
10."hun yun bagua kuen’(bear man bagua fist form)
- “dou fu bagua kuen”(fighting tiger bagua fist form)
12."ng ying bagua kuen’(5 animals bagua fist form)
13.“bagua sum”( the heart of bagua fist form)
At the secondary level ,the practitoner begins learning “noi lem sou” or internal hands. Techniques that fall into this category are elbows, knees or what is generally known as “2nd and 3rd gate” techniques. Also more emphasis is placed on the “bagua” techniques and forms.
The bagua forms and training also help the choy lee fut practitioner to be able to effectively change not only the direction of “attack” but also the “angle” of attack on 3 different planes. In the primary levels, most of the forms are executed in either a “linear” direction or a “cross pattern”. The "bagua’s work on the 8 directional changes as well as 3 different’ planes’. The “planes” are divided into 3 levels, these are upper, midsection and lower levels. At this level there is also more emphasis placed on speed and the correct execution of techniques relative to directional changes. Having already “mastered” the basic techniques at the “primary levels”, the secondary level technique training teaches how to quickly alternate between various techniques and to effect directional changes. For example a straight line or linear technique such as “cheung gnarn chui” executed in the “jee ng ma” stance which targets the head area, is easily changed to a "horizontal back fist or “dart chui” which is known as a spinning back fist by utilising the “kwai ma” stance in conjunction with the turning of the waist. If one then again utilises the waist and “unwinds” the waist another “dart chui” technique can easily be utilised, this can then be followed by a "dang charn. Geuk’ or reverse spinning push kick as the weight is transferred onto the front leg allowing one to make use of the “spare leg” to execute the "dang charn geuk’ or even a “au sol geuk” (spinning hook kick).
Shame there isn’t a part 2 for the article. I would like to read more about the deep, elaborate system of clf. Some very detailed specifics to the forms if you know or have access to them.
For those privileged to learn several of the bagua forms, do you care to comment which form is your favourite and why?
why are you re-posting something that already has been done to death?
are you new to CLF? did you JUST find the information?
You don’t do that, Frank. Do you?
Some nice videoclips of some clf kung fu demonstration.
Even a clip with the clf ching jong!
http://www.choyleefut.com.au/update/gallery.asp
Clf dit da and medical theories.
Hi EJ,
You are right. Medical theory is a part of clf! (Although it is not widely known by many in the system?)
I took the following from this link :http://www.choyleefut.com.au/medicine.asp
Traditional Chinese medical knowledge is an important aspect of Choy Lee Fut taught to our founder Chan Heung by Choy Fook. Tit Da (the treatment of muscular and skeletal injuries) provides the practitioner with an understanding of their own body as well as knowledge of pressure points for striking.
The understanding of one’s muscles, tendons and ligaments as well as one’s meridians allow us to better control our bodies and the flow of qi within it. This understanding can also be used to heal injuries sustained during training or combat.
Meridian and acupuncture points can also be used for devastating pressure point strikes, which form part of the higher level of Choy Lee Fut training.
The gall bladder channel is one of the twelve regular channels
Our Sifu - Chen, Yong Fa is also a qualified practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine, graduating from the Kwangtung College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, and also inheriting knowledge from his ancestors. He currently practices inside the Sydney school whilst also teaching kung fu, qigong, and traditional Chinese medicine.
The theoretical foundation of Choy Lee Fut.
The system of Choy Lee Fut is very complete in structure. It has theory as well as practice. You may have heard of the 13 postures of taiji, and the 12 bridges of Hung Gar. What about Choy Lee Fut Kung Fu?
Maybe many don’t realise that Choy Lee Fut also has a foundation of principles called the sup baat ji kuet or 18 characters formula, which I think Sifu Chen Yong Fa has taught in the form of seminar.
Having such knowledge will enable one to better understand how the system and style of choy lee fut operates and is applied; the combination of both theory and practice may enable the training of a better CLF practitioner!
Those who know it, I encourage you to share some info and views for the benefit of many!
It would be good if Frank could post his system of Fut Gar Jing Jung from Futsan and see if it has any similarity to CLF, after all one of Jeong Yim’s teacher was Chan Heung!
yeah Chan Heung was one of Jeong Yim’s teachers.
as well as Lee Yau San, and Monk Ching Cho. I mean fut san’s ching cho, not the one the chan family stole from Jeong Yim’s lineage.
See, if we wanted to bow down and follow the Chan family version that the GGM is Choy Fook, and we follow the Jeong Yim lineage than Chan Heung sent his disciple to one of his sifu’s to complete his training.
In a major way, if Choy Fook was Ching Cho, then Jeong Yim became Chan Heung’s Classmate under the same sifu.
See, if you remember the Hung Sing branch claims that Chan Heung sent Jeong Yim to Ching Cho. But Ching Cho according to Chan Family branch is Choy Fook. they were classmates then.
So which is it?
Hi Frank,
So which part of the Fut Gar Jing Jung system was passed down by Lee Yau Shan and which by Ching Cho?
Since there is no evidence that Ching Cho ever existed, I would say he was more likely to be an alias used by Chan Heung then an actual person. Have you got any evidence to say otherwise?
EJ
If Choy Fook was ching cho, then jeong yim could not have learnt from ching cho. So No. He could not be Chan Heung’s classmate.
Lee Yau san was Chan Heung’s teacher. Not Jeong Yim’s.
Choy Lee Fut was founded by Chan Heung and NOT Jeong yim. So it is irrelevant whether jeong yim promoted his school or not. If he taught CLF, then he is teaching a kung fu system founded by Chan Heung.
If green grass monk was shaolin monk and taught jeong Yim then there should be evidence in the contents of jeong yim’s lineage. So you are pure jeong yim lineage? The Fut gar jing jung means authentic shaolin. Southern shaolin is strongly based on the animals dragon, tiger, crane, leopard and snake.
Hung Gar, a very shaolin system, has these five animals in the system and is very evident in the contents of the style.
If Jeong yim learnt from ching cho who was suppose to be a shaolin monk, then where are the classical animal forms in your lineage? You don’t have them, do you? Then how can you prove jeong yim learnt from a shaolin monk called ching cho? It doesn’t make sense.
Or did jeong yim pass down animal forms but it got lost in YOUR lineage?
So which is it??
And before you bring up your “um ying kuen” , if I’m not mistaken, its the same five animals form taught by DFW and DFW has written a book on it called shaolin five animals. It is NOT a choy lee fut form taught from jeong yim to yuen hai to lau bun. It was supposedly a “shaolin” form which lau bun learnt from Yuen Hai’s wife, not Yuen Hai himself.
Hi Frank,
Jeong Yim never learned the Ng Ying because he was too busy promoting his own Fut Gar Jing Jung! Is that right?
So it is not a CLF form? Does that make it bad or not useful? Where is the so called humility CLF and all martial arts is supposed to teach? All I see here is nothing but making fun of other people, plain and simple and to be honest it is getting old.
The system of Choy Lee Fut contains five sounds which are related to the five shaolin animals.
Contrary to some opinion, the choy lee fut sounds are not just for the sake of making noise in battle so others know your style. It is a form of hei gung, and is use to cultivate what is classically linked to five animals training of the classical shaolin animals.
For example, the “yik” sound for the dragon, and cultivation of “spirit”.
The “wak” sound of Tiger , tiger training strengthening bones.
The “hok” sound for crane training essence or “jing”.
The “hak”?? sound for snake cultivating qi.
The “dik” sound of leopard cultivating strength.
How many people realise that the system of Choy Lee Fut kungfu founded by Chan Heung is a very well documented system in terms of detail and contents. The sound hei gung is not transmitted purely by “heresay”, there is actually written documentation. In one manuscript by Chan Yiu Chi, a certain chapter provides description of the sounds and their function, and interestingly one might expect the document to be “inner transmission” and in no way does it suggest the sounds are a form of “battle cry for recognition”.
Actually Sifu Howard Choy, student of the direct descendent of the founder of Choy Lee Fut (Chan Heung) Sifu Chen Yong Fa, actually did a translation of the particular chapter from the manuscript of Chan Yiu Chi. It was available online for some time so others may have seen the chapter/info.
Interestingly, advanced Hung Gar training for the internal development also uses various sounds and some resemble that of the Choy Lee Fut sounds.
Actually Sifu Howard Choy, student of the direct descendent of the founder of Choy Lee Fut (Chan Heung) Sifu Chen Yong Fa, actually did a translation of the particular chapter from the manuscript of Chan Yiu Chi. It was available online for some time so others may have seen the chapter/info.
I have read some of the translations from Sifu Howard Choy. Can you post some links as to where his translations can be found? And/or some contact info for him?
Thanks!
I think Howard Choy is married to Chen Yong-Fa’s sister, he has his own website and you can contact him there:
http://www.tai-chi-centre.com
Joseph,
as i’ve said before Ching Cho passed on the In and Out bagua.
what Lee Yau San passed on to Jeong Yim i don’t know. Jeong Yim was a young boy when he learned from Lee Yau San.
what are you trying to tell me that Lee Yau San was strictly Chan Heung’s teacher, and that Lee Yau San never taught anyone else?
Are you trying to tell me that it was impossible for jeong yim to learn from Lee Yau San, and why? The only way that can be fake is if Chan Heung created Lee Yau San Himself. Just like your elders are trying to make the world believe Ching Cho is Choy Fook.
Just cause you don’t know what Ching Cho passed down to Jeong Yim doesn’t mean it isn’t so. Hell, in all of your 50 years of CLF experience you have yet to see, or read anything that was written by the actual CLF founder and pass it off as the info was lost in the cultural revlolution. yeah right.
so, joseph, why don’t you tell me what CHing CHo and Lee Yau San passed down to Jeong Yim. You seem to have an answer for everything. correct or not.
Joseph, stay out of HSK business and stick to your Chan Family stuff. We have our history, and the longer you butt into it you only look like a spoiled chan family supporter who doesn’t want to lose their ground.
As i’ve said, in fut san the actual ancestral tablet was found during the japanese invasion. Have i seen the tablet no. I don’t go to fut san that often. But i plan to ask to see it the next time i’m there.
so, yes, your chan family information on Jeong Yim is nill and void.