[QUOTE=kfson;978336]DFW (must be 10 characters to post)[/QUOTE]
You can tell by # of post that I’m new on the WC forum, not sure how to input contact info or look for it. I’m about 250 miles sw from you, did you guys get dumped on by that snow storm. Happy holidays.
Post #7 here: http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55982
is the major part of the problem.
Dang Andrew, you’re pretty good wordsmith for a WC “jock” 
[QUOTE=anerlich;977423]Long and heartrending are the lamentations about the sorry state and fractured nature of Wing Chun. The reasons given are many, but the solutions proposed few and sorry.
Wing Chun needs a tougher image. The pathetic adherence to antedeluvian cultural associations and wishy-washy attempts to make it into some new age pussified version of the already pussified internal martial arts and Buddhist traditions have got us nowhere. The New Age is over, and as The Clash predicted, nobody escaped, especially Wing Chun.[/QUOTE]
Some fair points are mentioned but still no solution other than violence! :mad:
Is that really all you want your art to be? Playing ‘fisticuffs’ with people of less skill than yourself to make you feel superior?
I can understand why people have moved away from the traditions as I for one can see the craziness involved in following a ‘Master’ or feeling that I am a ‘Disciple’, but I have never felt the need to punch someones face for me to believe in what I am training actually works!?
What’s wrong with Wing Chun??
Nothing.
It’s only the practitioners leading the flock that have their own issues and will let down future generations. And if you are led by the flock, which in most ‘forum’ cases looks to be true (and in some Sifu cases too), then we are all in real trouble!
Question: Do you teach the student what you know or what they ‘want’ to learn?
Higher meaning aside…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90guNZ_QhjU&feature=related
I just came across this old video. I find it fascinating, because to me it reveals so much of what can go wrong and what can go right about Wing Chun training. I’ve seen and felt this same phenomenon from both sides of the equation.
My observations:
The Thai fighter initially seems reserved compared to the Wing Chun fighter, who shows a lot of crowding agression… but he doesn’t show much ring control.
The first few clashes seem to give the Wing Chun guy the advantage over the Thai, who seems uncertain about what the WC guy is going to do.
A few instants later, it’s all over really. The Thai suddenly realizes many things: we can see that he begins stalking the WC guy and treating him with utter contempt.
Not much later, the WC guy visibly begins to gas. In his fatigue he manages to pull off a straight blast and a nice low deflection before getting hammered. He takes more of the Thai’s hits than he should, but takes them better than is to be expected.
What things do you think the Thai realizes? What do you yourself see that is good and bad w/ the Wing Chun guy’s performance and training?
so what youre saying is we need to start a wing chun biker gang!
Dang Andrew, you’re pretty good wordsmith for a WC “jock”
Thank you, sir 
[QUOTE=Xiao3 Meng4;979298]What things do you think the Thai realizes? What do you yourself see that is good and bad w/ the Wing Chun guy’s performance and training?[/QUOTE]
I think it became apparant that the WC guy didn’t have any training to protect against leg kicks, that he didn’t have the movement necessary to dictate range or circle away from anything, and that all his attacks were linear forward and back.
The MT guy probably has had a few fights. Those guys start fighting as teenagers and retire at mid twenties with 100+ fights. He got sloppy with hands down and his approaches - showboating, and got caught once for it. He played with the WC guy, softened him up with a pretty good leg kick display, played the MT clinch for a bit briefly, then when his opponent was worn down finished him.
Good and bad:
Good - WC guy had good classic wc structure with inner and outer hands, good centerline presence.
Bad - conditioning, no lateral movement, no leg kick defense, no clinch defense, no head movement to avoid punches.