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funny fungus and your martial art
i have had two periods of training this past few days where i have ingested magic mushrooms⌠i spent the better part of two hours each session doing bagwork, uncovering strategies, plotting chaos, building form, and so forth⌠i have found that the heighted perceptions of the mushrooms is much like how catnip affects cats⌠i was finding combos of roundhouse to headbutts, to elbows, to sidekicks, to you name it i found it kinda combos(they weâre purely random - i was in a zone) i am curious to see if any other of my fellow martial artists on the forums can relate to the subject with any degree of expertise in the matter. i am convinced that magic mushrooms are like the secret ingredient to all good kung fu.
I prefer to keep my mind clear⌠not thrashed by toxins to the state where my brain is unable to properly function. Hallucinating is not training.
[QUOTE=Drake;1002430]I prefer to keep my mind clear⌠not thrashed by toxins to the state where my brain is unable to properly function. Hallucinating is not training.[/QUOTE]
Iâve said it before and Iâll say it again.
Talking about what entheogens do to your practice is looking at it the wrong way.
You should be looking at what practice does to your entheogenic experiences. 
This is a common mistake people make.. they say things like
âWell can use of this or that make my yoga practice better⌠or can this or that make my writing better or my running betterâ.
This is what I call a âaltered state - prejudicialâ point of view (much like subtle racists bias in a way.. people grow up with it and never know itâs even there.. like a fish in water). It assumes that the entheogens need some justification.. and maybe their effect on this other skill is the justification (or conversely that it isnât).
This is ass-backwards IMO!
The altered states are valuable and interesting on their own terms. Use all the life tools at your disposal to explore them in a mindful, mature, and responsible fashion.
A friend of mine once spent 6 straight hours doing sinawali on ecstacy on a hot summer night. I asked him how the sinawali felt? He said âthatâs not the point.. it was a great rollâ.
Now if people want to discuss the effects of training on the trip.. thatâs a discussion we can have.. but discussing the trippingâs effects on training.. thatâs not very productive to me.
Addling your mind with drugs is nonsense and has zero application in context to physical development as a martial artist.
You can believe whatever esoteric bullshit you want to, but really, cooking wonât teach you singing, running wonât teach you language and drugs donât reveal anything to you that wasnât there had you shut up and spent even a few moments trying to actually observe something.
Guys that try to promote drug usage in tandem with martial arts can read about the spirit boxers of the early 1900âs. thereâs your result of drugs, alcohol and crap magic at play.
a long time ago i saw the devil on peyote and i attacked him with an axe.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1002441]a long time ago i saw the devil on peyote and i attacked him with an axe.[/QUOTE]how did you know the devil was on peyote?? 
[QUOTE=uki;1002429]i am curious to see if any other of my fellow martial artists on the forums can relate to the subject with any degree of [SIZE=â3â]expertise [/SIZE]in the matter.[/QUOTE]just incase there were any discrepancies in ones grammatical comprehension skill. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=uki;1002442]how did you know the devil was on peyote??
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the look in his eye
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1002433]Addling your mind with drugs is nonsense and has zero application in context to physical development as a martial artist.
You can believe whatever esoteric bullshit you want to, but really, cooking wonât teach you singing, running wonât teach you language and drugs donât reveal anything to you that wasnât there had you shut up and spent even a few moments trying to actually observe something.
Guys that try to promote drug usage in tandem with martial arts can read about the spirit boxers of the early 1900âs. thereâs your result of drugs, alcohol and crap magic at play.[/QUOTE]
Wow.. I was under the impression that âdrug usage in tandem with martial artsâ was what professional wrestling and MMA was all about.
Oh wait thatâs STEROIDS. But those are drugs. Illegal drugs are illegal drugs right?
Well apparently not cause there is steroids, and painkillers, and stimulants and then you have all the many varieties of entheogens.
Drugs is a âlabelâ that includes many many different kinds of substances. The only thing they have in common is they all affect the body in some manner.
There is a vast difference between the sort of drugs that have effects primarily on the bodyâs metabolism or body function, and those whose primary effects are on the neurophysiology, brain, mental states and perception.
Conflating the one (which should be used for medical reasons when used at all) and the other (which has nothing to do with âmedicineâ per say, and have entheogenic effects) is pretty pointless. Unless you just want to scream
âDrugs are bad.. JUST SAY NO!â.
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1002450]Wow.. I was under the impression that âdrug usage in tandem with martial artsâ was what professional wrestling and MMA was all about.
Oh wait thatâs STEROIDS. But those are drugs. Illegal drugs are illegal drugs right?
Well apparently not cause there is steroids, and painkillers, and stimulants and then you have all the many varieties of entheogens.
Drugs is a âlabelâ that includes many many different kinds of substances. The only thing they have in common is they all affect the body in some manner.
There is a vast difference between the sort of drugs that have effects primarily on the bodyâs metabolism or body function, and those whose primary effects are on the neurophysiology, brain, mental states and perception.
Conflating the one (which should be used for medical reasons when used at all) and the other (which has nothing to do with âmedicineâ per say, and have entheogenic effects) is pretty pointless. Unless you just want to scream
âDrugs are bad.. JUST SAY NO!â.[/QUOTE]
yeah, well you and hop head over there just go ahead and drop acid and train.
:rolleyes:
So now you advocate hallucinogenic or recreational drug use in martial arts?
Get real man.
I donât use steroids, or any other performance enhancing drugs. But they are completely and utterly different than what uki is going on about.
So are you going to champion drug abuse and martial arts as some sort of learning path that someone can benefit from?
well? make the argument then. Or look at it for what it is.
Ever research the external dan?
Iâve gone toe-to-toe with countless people who are tripping, certainly more than everyone else has on this forum combined. Iâve discussed it a little on this forum, but if you need a refresher, check out my initial Shaolin Trips installment: Episode One: Open Two Doors. And itâs true, trippers can have heightening sensory and physical abilities. Sometimes itâs really amazing what some one on acid can do.
But people on drugs also fall prey to delusion. You donât know how many people weâve taken down because they were just too distracted to focus on multiple opponents, or because they were chasing some psychedelic will-o-wisp. Iâll never forget when a tripper tried to give one of my partners a death touch. It was hysterical. He yelled âdie!â with such conviction. He was also a scrawny little dude, smaller than me, and my partner was a professional prison psych nurse that stood about 6â 1". Talk about your delusions.
I think Iâve recommended Zig Zag Zen to your before, uki. The conclusion of most of the essays is the same - practitioners who indulge in psychedelics often progress faster at first, but then they plateau and never reach advanced levels. That stands to reason. If youâre used to dropping acid to get your results, then you will lack the discipline necessary to get to the next levels and you will have little left when the drugs wear off.
Throughout history, the Chinese, particularly the Daoists and TCM people, have done extensive research in psychedelics, especially mushrooms. Think about it. What culture eats more mushrooms than the Chinese? Some think that the mushroom of longevity was actually a metaphor for psychedelics. I could see that. Daoists did extensive research trying to find the external dan, which was essentially the philosopherâs stone (same dan as in dantian). But they abandoned that for internal dan (qigong practices). They concluded that most external dan led to poisons of the mind. That was centuries ago. uki, if you think youâre charting something new with psychedelic mushrooms and martial arts, youâre deluded. Do your research. Youâll find there are many who have traveled that road before with lackluster results.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1002451]yeah, well you and hop head over there just go ahead and drop acid and train.
:rolleyes:
So now you advocate hallucinogenic or recreational drug use in martial arts?
Get real man.
I donât use steroids, or any other performance enhancing drugs. But they are completely and utterly different than what uki is going on about.
So are you going to champion drug abuse and martial arts as some sort of learning path that someone can benefit from?
well? make the argument then. Or look at it for what it is.[/QUOTE]
You obviously didnât read my first post on this thread. I am not the slightest bit interested in the notion of doing entheogens and training for the sake of training.
The training can be extremely useful in the context of entheogen use, but it has nothing to do with furthering the training. Itâs about making the most of the experience within the context of the experience.
People who make the broad pronouncements you do only tell everyone that they havenât had the experience and thus are not qualified to discuss the experience in detail. Itâs like someone talking about the dangers of driving whose never been behind the wheel themselves.
So using your description, I have to drive drunk to understand that itâs dangerous?
Maybe I need to use cocaine to know itâs addictive and deadly?
i perfer crack cocaine
[QUOTE=Drake;1002463]So using your description, I have to drive drunk to understand that itâs dangerous?
Maybe I need to use cocaine to know itâs addictive and deadly?[/QUOTE]
If you havenât ever driven and you havenât ever been drunk (neither one) then you saying âdrunk driving is dangerousâ is merely a recitation of a fact without a real first-hand understanding of why.
And as far as needing to use cocaine to understand itâs addictive nature.. yes you do. Relating a fact is not the same as understanding it first-hand.
People who havenât âseen the elephantâ shouldnât expect others to take their broad pronouncements as anything other than them parroting or reciting things (arguably true perhaps) they have been told by others or read.
Entheogens are perhaps even more like this than many other experiences.. precisely because of the fundamental alterations they can make in oneâs consciousness and perceptions (albeit temporarily).
But feel free to comment on the potential hazards of excessive precipitation when youâve never seen and felt the rain fall. Those who have.. chuckle.
Uki,
Back to your original issue.. set and setting is a critical factor. Also fungus tend to have a different intensity/effect pattern than some of the other entheos (as the saying goes.. it comes and it goes, then it comes and it goes repeatedly) instead of the ascent, peak, decline pattern.
Fungus âprojectsâ are better structured around a given amount of minutes rather than having âthree things to play withâ in the area plus a comfy spot for the peak and recharge toys for the downside like you might do with some other entheos.
One thing you might also try is unifying the experience with a central motif or theme, marking out the dedicated time symbolically, then focusing on some very specific element to work on. Preferably something with as little variety as possible (the fungus will provide lots of variety all by itself). A single circular movement, or a single elbow. Donât let yourself get distracted.. just play with that one single thing for the alloted time (say 20 minutes or so). Set the timer, your internal chronometer will (obviously) be completely wonky.
If you havenât ever driven and you havenât ever been drunk (neither one) then you saying âdrunk driving is dangerousâ is merely a recitation of a fact without a real first-hand understanding of why.
so those people that end up dead from someone slamming into there car from a drunk driver they didnât think it was âdangerousâ either and they didnât know anything about it either so I guess that counts them out. Your logic is flawed on that one sir.
My opinion is why would you want to âpolluteâ your body with things like that? âtrippingâ to get something on a higher level when all you need is just to train to achieve this doesnât make sense to me. Everyone there own, if you wanna destroy your body so be it.
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1002461]You obviously didnât read my first post on this thread. I am not the slightest bit interested in the notion of doing entheogens and training for the sake of training.
The training can be extremely useful in the context of entheogen use, but it has nothing to do with furthering the training. Itâs about making the most of the experience within the context of the experience.
People who make the broad pronouncements you do only tell everyone that they havenât had the experience and thus are not qualified to discuss the experience in detail. Itâs like someone talking about the dangers of driving whose never been behind the wheel themselves.[/QUOTE]
Nope I read your post quite clearly and you were taking the position of advocate for the sake of starting an argument as is your M.O.
Now youâre back peddling out of that and continuing to deflect.
also youâre M.O.
so, thereâs no point in even arguing with you, I was pointing out my own opinion on the matter and you took issue, created a strawman that didnât exist and then started to argue about it in caps.
whatever man. :rolleyes:
yes, drugs can make you freak out and have retard strength.
so what, itâs false and fleeting and in the end you gain nothing.
I am of the position that the experience in context to martial arts as a learning tool is useless and non-productive.
But by all means, bring up some other unrelated things and start throwing it around and killing it in your attempt to win the argument! lol
oh geneâŚ
i never said i was bringing something new and uncharted to the world of martial arts, i was merely asking what anyone has to say about the concept of eating shrooms and the relation to ones martial arts practice⌠LOL⌠itâs not like i dropped a sheet of acid or ate a 1/4 of shrooms, i simply ate a few stems to get just out of normality - total functionability, only heightened perceptions. i was able to go full force, in a playful manner for nearly two hourse non-stop on the heavy bag, without pads, without wraps, and in a complete zone of flow⌠not one missed beat, not one missed strike, kick, elbow, forearm, wrist, backhand, or headbutt⌠it was truly amazing. so⌠can anyone else relate to training while actually on mushrooms or does everyone simply have an uneducated guess??
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1002486]
yes, drugs can make you freak out and have retard strength.
so what, itâs false and fleeting and in the end you gain nothing.
I am of the position that the experience in context to martial arts as a learning tool is useless and non-productive.
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Enjoy your certainty. Have a nice day.