Welcome.
I know I am new on this forum but PLEASE take my post seriously. I have some unpleasant experiences with deep meditation in kung-fu. I don’t want to write on public too much but I wonder if any of you have met with demons during meditation? If you do have similar experiences please contact me or give reasonable answer.
Lechu
I dun think it’s demons; maybe you kinda fallen asleep and experienced something called “scissors”; which is basically when you’re half asleep but you your eyes remember everything you and it saves the image, you’ll see around you plus see thing(s) moving, it’s common for people who don’t get enough sleep - in your case i would believe that you fell asleep brefly. Most logical way I can answer it.
I think you should seek advice from a qualified meditation teacher with a good reputation. My answer is just one meditator to another.
In general one thing they emphasize is that there are all kinds of illusions that the mind can create. Even if they are real demons (I won’t take a stand on whether demons or real or not) the same advice applies as with all hostile energies or beings you may encounter: develop loving-kindness. Loving kindness and compassion meditation is probably the most safe form there is, and it is found in pretty much all buddist systems of meditation in one form or another. It is the #1 recommended response to demons.
The other thing to emphasize is that sure meditation can be dangerous if it is misused or if you lack guidance or for someone with mental problems (I don’t mean you). So think of it somewhat like fighting training or any sports. There is a risk of injury. What do you do? Start out easy, a little bit at a time. See what effect it has on you. Don’t be afraid of any experience during meditation as long as it dissipates when you are finished, but if it causes you problems outside of meditation ease up and seek guidance. Just like with sports and injuries.
Good luck 
You can ask Sifu Wong Kiew Kit or any of his students, who using his organisation’s web site for help.
Hitman
Stop meditating.
Go and see a qualified medical professional in psychology/psychiatry.
You are meditating wrongly. ChinoXL/Kaptin Klutz may be right. Also, your meditations may be causing/exacerbating mental problems you may have. Don’t take the chance.
I agree with Mat. People with healthy minds do not see demons when meditating. You should really see a psychiatric professional before continuing to practice.
Have you ever seen demons when not meditating? Heard or seen things that those around you don’t seem to be aware of? Have you been undergoing any new or unusual stresses in your life lately?
he may not have access to an actual teacher so im going to link some books i liked. none of them deal directly with “deamons” but i liked them and think they may help just the same.
having some knowledge creates fear
empty your mind properly, be passive and yielding, and natural.
You call yourself Bel…
You complain of demons.
Get a grip. :rolleyes:
there are many types of meditation practices.
some general ideas.
we may sit, stand, assume a yogic stance or kung fu stance. we may start to “focus” on breathing, wind, birds chipping, etc. eventually no focusing,
The Buddhist theory is that there are 7 emotions and 6 desires. They are to be avoided. That needs time to practice.
there are more.
Demons are generated from your heart/mind. Thoughts are influenced by one of your strong emotions or “beliefs”.
if you are really “troubled”, yes, you need to see the doctors for help as pointed out by others.
copied from another forum
“as a side note-practicing hei-gung incorrectly can lead to causing rather than dispersing blockages and imbalances. This can lead to many problems, physically,psychically,spiritually, and mental and emotional as well. It is referred to as “Jow Faw,yup moor” running fire, enter demons (spirtual possession)which does not always mean possession, but the psychosis that may result from this.
I have seen the results of incorrect practice, and I will tell you this. Some of it scared the pants off of me. I wouldn’t had believed it unless I witnessed it with my own eyes.
There is an unwritten rule regarding the inner teachings. Never give out the whole secrets. That is left only to the initiate, whether it is Gung-Fu, Hei-Gung, Noi-Gung,or Western Occultism, such as High Magick. There will always be specific things either left out, or in incorrect order, misspelled names,backward positions, protection rites,etc. Frankly, I feel this is more irresponsible than putting it out correctly, but either way, it can be dangerous.”
are you referring to Baal, who I believe is a demonic name? sick
Not A Demon!!
The antiquity of the worship of the god or gods of Baal extends back to the 14th century BCE among the ancient Semitic peoples, the descendants of Shem, the oldest son of Biblical Noah. Semitic is more of a linguistic classification than a racial one. Thus, people speaking the same or similar languages first worshiped Baal in his many forms. The word Baal means “master” or “owner”. In ancient religions the name denoted sun, lord or god. Baal was common a name of small Syrian and Persian deities. Baal is still principally thought of as a Canaanite fertility deity. The Great Baal was of Canaan. He was the son of El, the high god of Canaan. The cult of Baal celebrated annually his death and resurrection as a part of the Canaanite fertility rituals. These ceremonies often included human sacrifice and temple prostitution.
Baal, literal meaning is “lord,” in the Canaanite pantheon was the local title of fertility gods. Baal never emerged as a rain god until later times when he assumed the special functions of each. Although there is no equivalent in Canaan of the sterile summer drought that occurs in Mesopotamia, the season cycle was marked enough to have caused a concentration on the disappearing fertility god, who took with him the autumn rain clouds into the neither world.
eTC…
Or Is He???
Baal is also seen as a Christian demon. This is a potential source of confusion.
Until archaeological digs at Ras Shamra and Ebla uncovered texts explaining the Syrian pantheon, the demon Ba‘al Zebûb was frequently confused with various Semitic spirits and deities entitled ba‘al, and in some Christian writings it might refer to a high-ranking devil or to Satan himself. In the ancient world of the Persian Empire, from the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea, worship of inanimate idols of wood and metal was being rejected in favor of the one living God. In the Levant the idols were called “baals”, each of which represented a local spirit-deity or “demon.” Worship of all such spirits was rejected as wrong and many were in fact considered malevolent and dangerous.
Early demonologists, unaware of Hadad or that “Baal” in the Bible referred to any number of local spirits, came to regard the term as referring to but one personage. Baal (usually spelt “Bael” in this context; there is a possibility that the two figures aren’t connected) was ranked as the first and principal king in Hell, ruling over the East. According to some authors Baal is a duke, with sixty-six legions of demons under his command.
During the English Puritan period Baal was either compared to Satan or considered his main assistant. According to Francis Barrett he has the power to make those who invoke him invisible, and to some other demonologists his power is stronger in October. According to some sources, he can make people wise, and speaks hoarsely.
While the Semitic high god Baal Hadad was depicted as a human, ram or a bull, the demon Bael was in grimoire tradition said to appear in the forms of a man, cat, toad, or combinations thereof. An illustration in Collin de Plancy’s 1818 book Dictionnaire Infernal rather curiously placed the heads of the three creatures onto a set of spider legs.
Another version of the demon Ba’al is Beelzebub, or more accurately Ba‘al Zebûb or Ba‘al Zbûb, Hebrew ), who was originally the name of a deity worshipped in the Philistine city of Ekron. Ba‘al Zebûb might mean ‘Lord of Zebûb’, referring to an unknown place named Zebûb, a pun with ‘Lord of flies’, zebûb being a Hebrew collective noun meaning ‘fly’. This may mean that the Hebrews were derogating their enemies’ god. Later, Christian writings referred to Ba‘al Zebûb as a demon or devil, often interchanged with Beelzebul. Either form may appear as an alternate name for Satan (or the Devil) or may appear to refer to the name of a lesser devil. As with several religions, the names of any earlier foreign or “pagan” deities often became synonymous with the concept of an adversarial entity. The demonization of Ba‘al Zebûb led to much of the modern religious personification of Satan, as the adversary of the Abrahamic god. For more details on the origins of Ba‘al Zebûb, see Beelzebub.
ETc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal#The_demon_entitled_ba.27al
Bel
Enlil or Bel
Mesopotamian god of the atmosphere, in many senses the most important god in the pantheon, if not the highest. His importance must be ascribed to his being the god of nature’s cycles and fertility.
Enlil was the son of the highest god Anu. His main cult centre was at Nippur in today’s Iraq. The meaning of “Enlil” is best translated into “Lord of the Wind,” or “Lord of the Air.”
IN SUMERIAN RELIGION
In Sumerian religion, Enlil was the god of both the atmosphere and the wind. In many respects he is the most active god in the Sumerian pantheon.
He is called “father of gods,” “king of heaven and earth” and “king of all lands.” In the myths, Enlil is presented as the one who separated heaven and earth, the one who lets everything grow, who created agricultural tools, who created the day and who decided upon the destiny of the world. But Enlil is also the god of storms and bad weather.
In one myth we hear about Enlil raping Ninlil, the grain goddess, whereupon he was banished to the underworld, in order to return to the world, reflecting the cycles of agriculture.
Moreover, Enlil is the god who gave kings their positions, and who gave them progress in war and in peace.
ETc.
find a qualified teacher to help you, and “demons” will no longer be an issue. In the meantime, this might calm things down a bit:
In Qi Gong, when we open the superficial pathways of the meridians, some common initial sensations are pain, stiffness, heat, shaking and tingling in the muscles and limbs. These sensations emerge into our consciousness as we look for the roots to the obstructions in the pathways. With GENTLE natural practice and observation, the obstructions are gradually cleared, allowing for the next step in the development of virtue.
But what of the deep pathways of the meridians? How to clear those? Well, one answer is meditation.
Our minds are cluttered with many acquired influences. These include perceptions, thoughts, and habitual mental emotional states. Acquired influences can cloud the mind’s innate influence on our selves and the world. In practicing meditation, many systems look towards clearing these acquired influences by re-establishing an awareness of the moment at hand. In doing so, the acquired influences naturally appear in stark relief to the landscape of true nature in the form of thoughts, perceptions, persistent mental-emotional states, even visions. Remember that these are acquired. Continue the work of maintaining awareness of the moment, and the obstructions will naturally clear away by themselves.
Clearing the deep channels is a natural process, similar to the opening of the superficial pathways, only these are the deep pathways, so the environment is different. Instead of opening the body, we open the mind and clear the obstructions within, allowing our innateness to manifest.
remember, GENTLE, NATURALLY OCCURING PRACTICE. NO FORCING!
CSP
spj has puked pea soup onto the face of the correct.
but yea…i think the general concensus is that you should stop meditating until you find a teacher to correct your practice. sounds like your losing your mind dude… no disrespect intended but take it very seriously.
what I meant to say.
we have to clear our minds.
we have to cleanse our hearts with no ill intent toward others.
the ill intents will become evil thoughts over time.
we become the demons.
we are harmed by the ill intents we harbor.
in short, we may choose to be god like, forgiving and loving etc, or demon like.
It is a Q of choice or selection. The difference between being good or evil is only that between a thought with good or ill intent.
see no evils, hear no evils, and do no evils etc etc
I experienced “sleep paralysis” once. That’s when you become conscious during deep sleep and can open your eyes. Most people can’t move while dreaming which is why most people don’t sleep walk. If you become conscious during that dream state (very rare) you will be unable to move. You’re still dreaming so you can hallucinate.
I felt like I was pulled out of my dream, my eyes could open and I saw my ceiling. (I was sleeping on my coach) I had a floating feeling, and felt like I was falling towards my feet. When I closed my eyes I saw a shadow hovering over me trying to stab me with a shadowy knife. I couldn’t move (I big fear of mine by the way) so all I had to defend myself with was strength of will.
Quite demon like. But just a dream.
I’ve heard tale of a dude that saw garden gnomes running through his room. Very Ally Mcbeal like.