Does anyone know why doing qigong too much or wrong can cause injury or insanity? does anyone ever had any bad side effects from qigong? i never knew the exact reason for this, and it seems this can happen to anyone.
I do tons of Qi Gong and most people will tell you I am completely nuts.
It isn’t just QiGong it is anything and everything. Anything done to excess without a measure of temperance can result in negative effects.
For QiGong it is a matter of emotional instability/immaturity. When a student is unable to effectively integrate their experiences into their worldview it can lead to emotional instability similar to what occasionally occurs with psychedelics.
If one has a modicum of emotional stability and takes it slow there is nothing to worry about. Consider the Dungeons and Dragons craze back in the 90’s. Some players tended to go a bit wacko. It wasn’t the game that did it, it was their own emotional instability and enmeshment into the game that led to negative effects. It is the same with QiGong.
A teacher is beneficial to guide one through these effects, but they are not necessary if one is able to maintain their reasoning abilities and emotional balance. It isn’t the QiGong that will make you nuts, it is your own instability and inability to effectively integrate experiences into your life that may lead to detrimental effects.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;825013]I do tons of Qi Gong and most people will tell you I am completely nuts.[/QUOTE]Dang! Beat me to it: I came on this thread with the express intention of making the same gag, but you beat me to it! :mad:
I’m not taking the p!ss - you’re giving it away! 
Oh and Bawang, breathing the wrong way can definitely drive you nuts. As can drinking too much tea. Wanking makes you go blind too.
Only I have the antidote to all these problems: just send me a cheque for $59.99 and it’s yours!
You know what else can drive you nuts?
NUTS!!
insanity
I have heard this too but it mainly refers to children using some crazy advanced qigong with magnets. I have also heard that the practitioners of Tiger-Swallow style do the same. They get so pumped full of chi that they go into a blood thirsty trance. It’s crazy but I guess it could be true. However I dont think that there is an actual style called Tiger Swallow. I am pretty sure it is just a set.
I hope this helps.
WF
I would say that this forum is a testement to insanity that can occur in TCMA
You only say that because you are insane!
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;825052]Dang! Beat me to it: I came on this thread with the express intention of making the same gag, but you beat me to it! :mad:
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It’s not a gag. I think he may actually be crazy. Not from the chi, but from the DOLL LADY! (somewhere there’s a RD doll with a pin in one of the meridians…)
LOL!! It fits!! OMG, that theory explaines EVERYTHING!!!
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;825045]It isn’t just QiGong it is anything and everything. Anything done to excess without a measure of temperance can result in negative effects.
For QiGong it is a matter of emotional instability/immaturity. When a student is unable to effectively integrate their experiences into their worldview it can lead to emotional instability similar to what occasionally occurs with psychedelics.
If one has a modicum of emotional stability and takes it slow there is nothing to worry about. Consider the Dungeons and Dragons craze back in the 90’s. Some players tended to go a bit wacko. It wasn’t the game that did it, it was their own emotional instability and enmeshment into the game that led to negative effects. It is the same with QiGong.
A teacher is beneficial to guide one through these effects, but they are not necessary if one is able to maintain their reasoning abilities and emotional balance. It isn’t the QiGong that will make you nuts, it is your own instability and inability to effectively integrate experiences into your life that may lead to detrimental effects.[/QUOTE]
yeah i agree mr brown, but some times this even happen to experienced people. i heard the shaolin haideng fashi died because he stopped eating and drinking and sleeping, he thought he only needs qi to live.
[QUOTE=bawang;825129]yeah i agree mr brown, but some times this even happen to experienced people. i heard the shaolin haideng fashi died because he stopped eating and drinking and sleeping, he thought he only needs qi to live.[/QUOTE]
we all die eventually.
Most of what we hear is not the truth and only a particle of someone else perception of events.
having said that, in general, the insanity is already there, qigong practice may or may not enhance any sort of insanity, although, I question if the state of mind required for proper qigong practice is there in an inherently insane person.
becoming delusional is another matter, in my opinion, we have entire societies that are delusional, and so, that may well be a natural state for humans. 
becoming delusional is another matter, in my opinion, we have entire societies that are delusional, and so, that may well be a natural state for humans
Well you ARE compelling evidence for this argument… 
I used to think that insanity for bad qigong was bunk…
…but now I don’t. There’s a lot of literature on the topic, traditional caveats, and they are surprisingly consistent, especially when you compare qigong and yoga methods. In addition, there’s this - Qi-Gong Psychotic Reaction: DSM-IV
Qigong insanity :rolleyes: So that’s what happened to Bawang in 2007. I always knew there was a story behind the man.
Opening The Energy Gates of your Body…
If I’m not mistaken Bruce Kumar Frantzis has a chapter on this in his book “Opening The Energy Gates of Your Body”. Well actually, on qigong gone wrong in general.
Yeah, here it is on p.157: "Hung I Hsiang’s brother was a practitioner of White Crane Chi Gung. A common technique of Shaolin Chi Gung methods such as White Crane is to force, or “pack”, energy into the body, much like forcing clothes into a suitcase. This involves forceful breathing, body contractions, and a sense of physical and energetic strength. By overdoing it, hung I Hsiang’s brother actually caused one of his lungs to hemorrhage, and died…(p.158) In many Chi Gung systems, especially Shaolin-style and animal styles (White Crane, for example) there is a technique that deliberately tries to vibrate chi in the body. The breath oscillates rapidly and chi is vibrated inside bones, tissues, brain and so forth…My medical Chi Gung teacher in Beijing informed me that these types of vibbrattory practices historically had a high casualty rate. She had worked with cancer patients who had brought their symptoms under control with Chi Gung and then begun vibbrattory practices, which brought their cancer out of remission, and they returned to the hospital to die. The strong sense of power makes these practices addictive, and like crack, when the crash comes, it is too late…When I was 21 I was taught a “secret” technique. I was told it was the Chi Gung that was the power behind Tai Chi. I practiced this technique diligently, two hours a day, until I was able to break bones with one slap simply by vibrating my energy. At the same time, I noticed an incredibly seductive feeling of energy in my head, and I began to realize that I was becoming psychotic. The stronger this chi got, the stranger my mind became, and the hotter my body felt…In a particularly raucous martial art incident in Japan, I found I was breaking bones left and right, and was almost unable to stop myself. At this point, I realized this practice was making me crazy, removing compassion from my makeup, and I stopped. When I later returned to Taiwan a few years later, I found I had been practicing the Tsung He form of Fukien White Crane, and that some of the practitioners of this art were either subtly or obviously psychotic. Many of the most humble-seeming masters of this Chi Gung were actually the most dangerous. Power replaced compassion, and while they might use their power for healing, it would be of little concern to them if they accidentally caused damage instead.
[QUOTE=bawang;825003]Does anyone know why doing qigong too much or wrong can cause injury or insanity? does anyone ever had any bad side effects from qigong? i never knew the exact reason for this, and it seems this can happen to anyone.[/QUOTE]
When your body start to vibrate and you can’t control yourself, it’s very dangerous. Some masters said the evil is attached on your body. Gigong is a door to open to the unknown world, it can be dangerous.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1203390]When your body start to vibrate and you can’t control yourself, it’s very dangerous. Some masters said the evil is attached on your body. Gigong is a door to open to the unknown world, it can be dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I’ve seen that on the net too:
[B]"Risk of Qigong
by: Joe Hing Kwok Chu
What is the risk of doing qigong?
Institutions that teach qigong have been sued by people who are taking qigong (chi kung, chi gong) lessons from them, alleging that the training had caused everything from emotional damage to psychotic breakdowns to suicide.
About 20 years ago, there was an institution and its instructors that taught qigong were sued by more than 470 people who claimed they had suffered physical and emotional damages, according to a San Francisco newspaper, San Francisco Examiner.
Can qigong caused that? Actually qigong can cause serious damages from incorrect application by the instructions or by learning the types of qigong that do not match the body, especially learning the self made kind of qigong which has not been proven over time.
The sickness resulted from doing qigong incorrectly or from receiving incorrect instruction is called “zou huo ru mo” ( ). The problem can be physiological or psychological or both. The term “zou huo ru mo” literally means the body is catching fire and entered by demons. Today the term “pian cha” meaning “deviation” is preferred by many practitioners.
The problems can show up like mania, psychotic, hallucination, depressed and suicidal, nervous breakdowns, sudden surge of of heart rates, chronic pain, and split personalities.
This problem also can happen from incorrect training in certain types of yoga (resulted in kundalini syndrome), certain religious types of meditation and incorrect hypnosis.
There is a secret branch of qigong specially designed to deal with the problem of Zou Huo Ru Mo.
The author, over 40 years period has helped solved many cases of deviations (zuo huo ru mo) that were referred to him."
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I practiced this technique diligently, two hours a day, until I was able to break bones with one slap simply by vibrating my energy. At the same time, I noticed an incredibly seductive feeling of energy in my head, and I began to realize that I was becoming psychotic. The stronger this chi got, the stranger my mind became, and the hotter my body felt…In a particularly raucous martial art incident in Japan, I found I was breaking bones left and right, and was almost unable to stop myself. At this point, I realized this practice was making me crazy, removing compassion from my makeup,
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You don’t know the power of the dark side…