[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1002515]Enjoy your certainty. Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]
I do enjoy certainty. And I will have a nice day!
thanks! 
Hi uki,
The real challenge is in trying to recreate the mushroom experience with your meditative skills. You see, the mooshies didnāt get you in that zone; it just caused your brain to trigger the juice that was always up there, forever waiting to take you āthereā.
The aforementioned is the REAL KEY to both meditative and martial practices: THE BRAIN. Yet in books like the DMT Spirit Molecule and Inner Paths to Future Realms Now, the emphasis is on the use of psychadelics to alter the mental state. The LSD stuff popped up in the '60ās when we were on the verge of a beautiful transformative consciousness and its use undermined its success. Fast forward to today and we have the same type of spiritual convergence going on. And, lo and behold, we have the reappearance of psychadelics and the spiritual benefits they offer.
People who can use their brain to trigger optimal conditions where peak experiences can be experienced are a real enema (spelling intended) to drug dealers and their masters who really want to keep sleeping long enough to place new control mechanisms in for you.
mickey
[QUOTE=mickey;1002529]People who can use their brain to trigger optimal conditions where peak experiences can be experienced are a real enema (spelling intended) to drug dealers and their masters who really want to keep sleeping long enough to place new control mechanisms in for you.[/QUOTE]i hardly find that consuming magic mushrooms amounts to using the terms ādrug dealerā and āmastersāā¦ mushrooms were here first and then peopleā¦ according to your line of perception, people should shun medical herbs which stimulate healing simply because our immune system should be good enoughā¦ LOL
eating magic mushrooms one or two times per season hardly amounts to being controlled by themā¦ do people who drink daily tea classify as being a victim of a control mechanism?? how about people who practice qigong daily, got addiction?? waitā¦ how about people who like to read and expand their horizons and perceptions?? why should they read a book? according to your logic, reading a book is useless to a supreme being, yes or no?
Hi uki,
A supreme being is the book and then some.
I donāt shun herbs at all. It is that when it comes to the mind altering stuff, people tend to think that the āstuffā did it when it really was their brain at work. The same can be said for herbs as well.
Are you familiar with radionics?
mickey
oh ukiā¦
So youāre just trying to out other trippers here with this? 
lol @ gene
I did security at a rehab center when I was younger.
I saw first hand the results of drug use.
[QUOTE=uki;1002544]i hardly find that consuming magic mushrooms amounts to using the terms ādrug dealerā and āmastersāā¦ mushrooms were here first and then peopleā¦ according to your line of perception, people should shun medical herbs which stimulate healing simply because our immune system should be good enoughā¦ LOL
eating magic mushrooms one or two times per season hardly amounts to being controlled by themā¦ do people who drink daily tea classify as being a victim of a control mechanism?? how about people who practice qigong daily, got addiction?? waitā¦ how about people who like to read and expand their horizons and perceptions?? why should they read a book? according to your logic, reading a book is useless to a supreme being, yes or no? :)[/QUOTE]
apparently you have a cognitive break occurring inasmuch as you canāt tell the difference between mothers milk and whisky. At least according to that last paragraph. lol
well at least youāre not creating artificial constructs and projecting them onto others like the roid strawman there. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1002573]
well at least youāre not creating artificial constructs and projecting them onto others like the roid strawman there. :D[/QUOTE]
You know.. Iāve never been to China. Never set foot there. Iāve seen some pictures, some videos. Read books and articles about it.
Iāve known some people who went to China.
Still.. I havenāt been myself. I havenāt spent months or years living there. So while I hear that and read.. certain things are factually true regarding China.. I donāt have the benefit of first hand experience.
Same with Asia. Never been to Thailand. People say Thailand and China are quite different.. even though they are both Asian countries.
I will probably wait till Iāve been to China before I talk too much about it like an expert. Iāll stick to āI hear thatā or āI read that..ā till then.
[QUOTE=mickey;1002529]Hi uki,
The real challenge is in trying to recreate the mushroom experience with your meditative skills. [/QUOTE]
5-7 dried grams. Alone. In Silence. In the Dark.
Reproduce that with meditation.. I beg you.
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1002580]You know.. Iāve never been to China. Never set foot there. Iāve seen some pictures, some videos. Read books and articles about it.
Iāve known some people who went to China.
Still.. I havenāt been myself. I havenāt spent months or years living there. So while I hear that and read.. certain things are factually true regarding China.. I donāt have the benefit of first hand experience.
Same with Asia. Never been to Thailand. People say Thailand and China are quite different.. even though they are both Asian countries.
I will probably wait till Iāve been to China before I talk too much about it like an expert. Iāll stick to āI hear thatā or āI read that..ā till then.[/QUOTE]
Without stirring abroad, One can know the whole world; Without looking out of the window One can see the way of heaven. The further one goes The less one knows. -Lao Tzu
[QUOTE=dimethylsea;1002583]5-7 dried grams. Alone. In Silence. In the Dark.
Reproduce that with meditation.. I beg you.[/QUOTE]
What and odd thing to beg of anotherā¦
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1002454]Iāve gone toe-to-toe with countless people who are tripping, certainly more than everyone else has on this forum combined. Iāve discussed it a little on this forum, but if you need a refresher, check out my initial Shaolin Trips installment: Episode One: Open Two Doors. And itās true, trippers can have heightening sensory and physical abilities. Sometimes itās really amazing what some one on acid can do.
But people on drugs also fall prey to delusion. You donāt know how many people weāve taken down because they were just too distracted to focus on multiple opponents, or because they were chasing some psychedelic will-o-wisp. Iāll never forget when a tripper tried to give one of my partners a death touch. It was hysterical. He yelled ādie!ā with such conviction. He was also a scrawny little dude, smaller than me, and my partner was a professional prison psych nurse that stood about 6ā 1". Talk about your delusions.
I think Iāve recommended Zig Zag Zen to your before, uki. The conclusion of most of the essays is the same - practitioners who indulge in psychedelics often progress faster at first, but then they plateau and never reach advanced levels. That stands to reason. If youāre used to dropping acid to get your results, then you will lack the discipline necessary to get to the next levels and you will have little left when the drugs wear off.
Throughout history, the Chinese, particularly the Daoists and TCM people, have done extensive research in psychedelics, especially mushrooms. Think about it. What culture eats more mushrooms than the Chinese? Some think that the mushroom of longevity was actually a metaphor for psychedelics. I could see that. Daoists did extensive research trying to find the external dan, which was essentially the philosopherās stone (same dan as in dantian). But they abandoned that for internal dan (qigong practices). They concluded that most external dan led to poisons of the mind. That was centuries ago. uki, if you think youāre charting something new with psychedelic mushrooms and martial arts, youāre deluded. Do your research. Youāll find there are many who have traveled that road before with lackluster results.[/QUOTE]
ahh..what do you know. You do TaiJi with Bikers.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1002590]ahh..what do you know. You do TaiJi with Bikers.[/QUOTE]
wtfpwnd!!!
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1002590]ahh..what do you know. You do TaiJi with Bikers.[/QUOTE]
hey, arenāt you a taiji biker?
i thought we determined all cma guys are.
yes, bikers who play guitars and can paint or draw.
these are all part and parcel to being the whole man.
the final component of manhood, or when a man becomes a real man is when his child pukes down the back of his best shirt and he doesnāt care!
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1002604]yes, bikers who play guitars and can paint or draw.
these are all part and parcel to being the whole man.
the final component of manhood, or when a man becomes a real man is when his child pukes down the back of his best shirt and he doesnāt care! :D[/QUOTE]
lol. im a ways off from being a real man then, i have yet to breed any offspring. but of course if you knew meā¦youād know thats probably for the best.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1002586]What and odd thing to beg of anotherā¦[/QUOTE]
Reproducing that those effects using only meditation?
Itās odd to the point of being virtually impossible.
Very few people have done heroic (5-7 dried gram) doses in silence, alone, in the dark.
Itās a chastening experience to say the least.
Haaaaaaaa
Actually, itās been a long time since Iāve done taiji and itās been years since Iāve seen my HA buddy Fuki.
Hereās a psychedelic real life combat situation that might liven up this thread. Our team had to restrain an IPR (the P.C. term for tripper, an acronym for intense psychedelic reaction). We prefer to do physical restraint over mechanical (soft restraints, not cuffs) when we have the manpower. The IPR was really wet from sweat and as it was discovered later, urine. He kept getting higher and the restraint crew was getting this intense contact high. Then it was noticed that he urinated on himself and he had a sheet of LSD in his pocket. Now, for those of you who donāt know, LSD is liquid soluble, so everyone got dosed. Ever since, we check wet IPRs to make sure a similar incident doesnāt occur. :rolleyes: