I have seen some teachers of certain styles that do chi kung and say that they get possessed and started doing freaky sh!t lol , but do you really believe they are?
How does one do this?
Do they have to be open for possession or are they on a bad trip?
What about being possessed by a an animal or certain diety from your style or beliefs?
Anyone care to share!
thanks
‘FT’
Sounds like they forgot to take their medication to me.
Someone said on this forum that they knew a ninja that could rub his hands together and make the wind blow, and they were serious about this:rolleyes:
The fortune teller will tell you your future for a price.
Why don’t they play the lottery?
common sense. honest neutral clarity.Reality
People come and go through my body all the time.(Yeah right)
Get a grip man.
Monsters haven’t lived under my bed since I was 10.
Shen Da
I believe what you described is known as Shen Da which is one of the divisions of Taoism (the religion). Pesonally, with all due respects, it is an study of the occult or rather the harnessing of the occult powers. The Boxer rebellion was insitegated by such an occult group. Althought Shen Da is not nessarily evil in nature, those whose study it would vouch for it, it is wildly avoided and feared by people.
Mantis108
I don’t believe it.
When I saw this thread I said to myself “it’d be funny if he were talking about people being possessed” and I come in here, and that’s exactly what it is
My answer. No they are not.
The mind is a strange thing. It can make people believe many things, but as far as the reality of this. I don’t believe it for a second. And would think it disgusting if it were true. 
Ryu
animal frolics-
the state where a chi kung practitioner enters a trance like state and the motion that follows resembles the motion of some animals.
surrendering one’s self to primal drives will induce this also.
not to mention drug use, altered states of conciousness and so on.
It’s still all you when it happens, perhaps just unfamiliar territory of exploration and with the inability to explain or fully understand is relegated to “possession”.
peace
I heard of it, espontaneus chi kung…
I think its a advanced level of chi kung where you move freely without control.
From what i’ve heard some people start jumping like crazy, some cry, others laugh. And some even do kung fu forms and techniques that they havent learned!
lOGIC
So you do believe in monsters, its just they dont live under your bed anymore?
have a chill pill man, its a question.
mantis 108,
yes san da is the correct answer, i have seen a few sifu’s go into these state like trances.
Do you think it would make them better at fighting?
Monster Style KUNG FU.
hehehe
drunken frankinstein style:D
werewolf style would be cool, but you could only practice it every few weeks.
fiercest tiger
Im a Hung Ga guy as you know. We use animal and elemental forces and ideals in our training all the time.
Ive seen my sifu litteraly take on a tiger or snake and its not a pleasent experience.
Its not that he will growl or sliver about the floor its more his normal movements and spirit which take on some of the animals attributes.
I do think this can make you more effective in combat, ive even seen it happen. I try to avoid going near my sifu in a tiger state as he litteraly is capable of tearing things up. Ive had several shirts ripped and had blood drawn one or two occasions. This was just him showing me application. He likes to prove it actualy hurts as well… lucky me.
This was him simply reflexing not even activly trying to hurt me, thats to me what tiger spirit is like. Aggressive and downright dangerous. It feels like trying to learn to fight from a bloody large powerfull animal.
There is also another guy who studies the same form as I am at the moment [Gung Gee tiger form] and we are both quite different. In that i come in and out of each animal depending on technique, where as his whole form follows the tiger. This is simply due to our different attitudes to combat and how we deal with getting though the physical of it [demanding form]. I prefer to adapt on the fly and let different forces help for different movements, he prefers to stay in one spirit and let that influence the way he moves so he doenst have to think so much about what he is doing.
I think it depends on the person but some people seem to definately [with training] fight better when there not exactly acting themselfs.
Like i say i dont think its that you growl and start scratching up a tree to test your claws. Its more that simply you take on aspects like the will of a tiger or the patience of a crane.
Ive also seen drunken used VERY effectively, still similar techniques but with the intent[or lack of] and blind fury a drunk has.
Guess it all comes down to personality and what gets you though.
Spirit kung fu
In Taiwan there are many temples where the spirits are said to reside. When another spirit has a b-day or some other special occasion the spirits from the other temples will come to visit and pay respects.
The spirit travels with the help of the temple people in a palanquin sitting in a chair in the form of a statue. As the chair is carried by 6-8 people the chair is seen to bounce up and down and left and right making travel difficult. For this reason the chair carriers are big and strong people.
Truthfully, it appears as though the chair moves because of the long sticks connected to the chair bouncing, like the springs in your car bouncing up and down after a bump in the road.
After the spirit makes obeisences at the other temple the spirit will enter the bodies of 1 or more people. These people dance around in some type of kung fu while shaking thier bodies as if possessed.
If the god is powerful the possessed will flagelate themselves until bloody.
So the tradition and beliefs are continually passed on.
have no belief in it
There is no god, no devil, no demons, no spirits, no angels, no monsters.
Anyone who is possessed is sick in the head or making it up.
There has never been any substantive proof of any of those things. Ever.
All there is are myths and legends and stories created by imaginative but ignorant and superstitious peoples.
The bible is mostly BS written by confused men, same for the torah, the koran, and other stuff.
You said no Monsters.
Are you sure,- I mean are you really sure.
Because if there is, I really have to know.
I think they are full of it.
Working themselves up into a psychological and physical frenzy. Or into some other state of mind like calmness. Which wouldn’t be that hard for someone who’s been training to do it for as long as it takes to become a teacher.
Some good stuff already said.
Kung Lek, for one, gave a reasonable response. I’ll jump off from there, it being that it’s all you that is happening.
One thing I realized early on was how very little of knew of myself. I would say that was where my effort went.
I don’t think the disembodied spirit of a tiger or other animal finds its way into you during these events. Rather, you have succeeded in finding the animal in yourself. When the boundaries between stages or states of consciousness become less dividing, I think it is possible to become whatever it is in your nature to become.
MA animal training will bring this out in individuals who are capable of making the transition. You are not being taken over by an animal spirit, but your own spirit is freely participating in its animal self. If there are moves that are made which one can’t do ordinarily, again, that is how that part of your nature operates naturally.
There is a lot we don’t know about the functioning of the brain, never mind the spiritual connection. I think that the surrendering of the rational mind to the primal part might yield a feeling of being possessed because the energy is so different, as is the “thinking.” Indeed, one might be in a mushin state (No Mind). But, it’s all you, and very wonderful at that.
The primary word is CONTROL of one’s impulses, thoughts, and intent when in the normal conscious state. Without that, you are sure to get weird in an altered state of consciousness which is less inhibited, shall we say.
It can also be said that you will believe what you have been taught to expect, for instance, for the spirit of a tiger to find you and operate thru you. With an open mind, you might feel differently, and realize that the animal was in you all the time, but unexpressed and untrained. With MA, you might be open to this experience, as it is viewed positively.
Cody
There’s actually been lots of proof of “religious” type things, just not the “man in the sky with a beard” LOL.
Science, for instance has proven laws of cause and effect, (a very strong Buddhist belief) and other things, (everything in the universe has rotational energy, everything goes through change, birth, life, death, rebirth (or just returning to source) All that is science, and all that is Buddhism. “God” needs to be defined as something undefinable I think. People need to stop taking things so literally. 
As far as the bible. Well much of the places and happenings in it have been proven and found in archeology, etc.
Doesn’t mean God is a man with a beard LOL, but who really knows what that word represents anyway.
But I still don’t believe monkey’s spirits come and take over someone Call me crazy.
Now, mentally focusing on “animal” characteristics like strength, speed, etc. Well yeah, I’m more open to that.
Ryu
hmmm
Newton’s work on cause and effect appeared to give the Deterministic philosophy, which I read had its origins in Ancient Greece, scientific clout. However!, Newton’s work dealt with physical bodies, not mind or spirit, or theoretical passage or development thereof. While, there would appear to be a sort of physics of living, I cannot say that it literally accounts for the myriad experiences of living, which probably include randomness. I don’t think things are that neat, and all is beyond total comprehension. That’s my opinion.
I don’t want to get into the Determinism, Karma, Newtonian triangle. I’ve done that already, recently. Man, what a headache I got. I have my beliefs, or lack thereof, and other people have theirs.
It’s okay to believe in a literal God, in a man with a long beard, in a conscious energy that created everything, etc. If one has a belief, however, I think one might tend to see both “truths” and “falsehoods” in terms of that belief system, no matter what it is. While you might not want to take things literally, whole belief systems are based on that literalism, or biblical literalism. No, I don’t believe that way, but I think we need to realize that for someone else this is a belief close to the heart, and not to be taken lightly.
One of my beliefs is that it is not what you believe in, but what you are, which is relevant.
Ryu, I think you were being rather good natured.
I will say that a belief is a belief is a belief, and nothing more. Some appear to have a foundation of sorts, yet, the fact is, it is a belief.
Best,
Cody
Kung Lek made sense. BUT also…
Unfamiliar territory of exploration,- (Do you mean the BRAIN,oh my God!)
Perhaps just unfamiliar territory of exploration and with the inability to explain or fully understand is relegated to “Possession”
Yeah, every time I get an alchol buzz going, I’m possest by none other than Jekel
I can’t explain it, I do things that I wouldn’t normally do.
moon my a-ss, Wear the lamp shade,That kind of stuff,you know,
Altered States.
It’s Jekel I tell yea
Da-mmit it’s Jekel!!