http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=wing+chun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=ving+tsun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded
Just an idea. :rolleyes:
I personally liked this new addition
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jr8DvrAMiY
Enjoy 
:25 of the last vid is the bestâŚ
Old school WC:
On the link below there is a clip entitled Lei Tai Champs. This was their first fight and they took first and second place. You wonât see many straight punches to the cage masks. We trained our fighters to use WC round punches to the side of the headgear instead of straight punches to the cage. We decided to train the guys to close the line with a bong sau round punch close after hearing from people experienced in Lei Tai fights that strikes to the side of the headgear is better for knockouts.
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/clips.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0dQGkPaoKA
Some of the training before the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQH4M550M0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDkPpWYYoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NCvZYiDQw
Now I know that there will be criticisms on how we do things and I understand that there will be. Criticism of other schools seem to be inherent in the martial arts world and especially in WC. We welcome anyone to come by the Mt. Laurel, NJ school if they have anything to offer with regards to full contact competitions. We are always willing to learn and share.
People will be able to watch our TWC classes for free by clicking on the streaming martialarts thumbnail here:
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/links.asp
The class schedule can be found here:
http://www.traditionalwingchun.com/classes.php?schedule
The classes will be archived for a about two weeks so if you miss a class you can view it at your leisure.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;889429]http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=wing+chun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=ving+tsun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded
Just an idea. :rolleyes:
I personally liked this new addition
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jr8DvrAMiY
Enjoy :D[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the clips, eventhough I need to take some âtime offâ to see them all, but then I donât see too many better reasons to take a break.
By the way, the last clip was good and a few of the techniques looked, dare I say, rather âShaolinishâ. It is amazing how a relatively small style (I am talking about techniques/etc. and not popularity) can encompass so much variety [as long as it falls within the artâs concepts and principles, that is].
Of course, the fact that its concept based elements gives it room for variety.
PS. Did I see one of the exponents turn his back on his training partner on 0.29?
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;889523]On the link below there is a clip entitled Lei Tai Champs. This was their first fight and they took first and second place. You wonât see many straight punches to the cage masks. We trained our fighters to use WC round punches to the side of the headgear instead of straight punches to the cage. We decided to train the guys to close the line with a bong sau round punch close after hearing from people experienced in Lei Tai fights that strikes to the side of the headgear is better for knockouts.
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/clips.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0dQGkPaoKA
Some of the training before the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQH4M550M0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDkPpWYYoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NCvZYiDQw
Now I know that there will be criticisms on how we do things and I understand that there will be. Criticism of other schools seem to be inherent in the martial arts world and especially in WC. We welcome anyone to come by the Mt. Laurel, NJ school if they have anything to offer with regards to full contact competitions. We are always willing to learn and share.
People will be able to watch our TWC classes for free by clicking on the streaming martialarts thumbnail here:
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/links.asp
The class schedule can be found here:
http://www.traditionalwingchun.com/classes.php?schedule
The classes will be archived for a about two weeks so if you miss a class you can view it at your leisure.[/QUOTE]
Nice clips Phil, always hated that kind of head gear, though thatis funny coming from someone that fought with the Daidojuku one in a few matches, LOL !
I rarely see âcleanâ WC in full contact matches, even Alanâs guys and while some may argue this and that, fact is, the rule set in a match tends to dictate the way it will look, you have to fight it a certain way to get the points to win.
That said, how expereinced were the guys in the clips?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;889539]Nice clips Phil, always hated that kind of head gear, though thatis funny coming from someone that fought with the Daidojuku one in a few matches, LOL !
I rarely see âcleanâ WC in full contact matches, even Alanâs guys and while some may argue this and that, fact is, the rule set in a match tends to dictate the way it will look, you have to fight it a certain way to get the points to win.
That said, how expereinced were the guys in the clips?[/QUOTE]
One was a blue sash and the other may have been brown. http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/grading.asp
It was their first full contact event outside of the school. We also have a few more Lei Tai champs at our school. I may post some of their wins as well. Youâre so right. The rules of the event dictate how you need to train and fight. I remember being in the ready room ith fighters from all over the world. The Japanese Sanda/Lei Tai fighters had battered looking shins like theyâd done some serious shin training. They were throwing really hard round kick at each other to warm up before they were to be called out. They looked impressive. Our guys turned toward the wall and did SLT.
I noticed the confused look on the Japanese teams faces. They must have wondered what the heck they were doing. They had an air of arrogance about them. When Joe was about to get on the Lei Tai platform I said something to him that I wonât repeat here . . lol
Well, our blue sash Joe Marrero knocked out the Japanese Sanda guy. Since he had to go to the hospital to get checked out I gave Joe the name âhospital punchâ. The Japanese guy was alright and came back to get his 4th place medal.
Phil,
My favourite clip is the training one where they are doing lunges with people on their backs AND the truck push. CLASSIC!
[QUOTE=HardWork8;889532]By the way, the last clip was good and a few of the techniques looked, dare I say, rather âShaolinishââŚ
PS. Did I see one of the exponents turn his back on his training partner on 0.29?[/QUOTE]
Good old Vietnamese Wing Chun eh!
Iâd lay money on these guys being more âShaolinâ as their heritage may not have even touched Ip Man, similar to some mainland styles. And yes, sometimes the back is turned, all in context I might add, especially when training âplum flowerâ stepping.
What about this one? Look out for the stance âtrainingâ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjVkhnx10c
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;889473]Old school WC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvK1pfyKtwg[/QUOTE]
I remember seeing this one a while ago! Pretty âfierceâ if you ask me, but standard for Leung Tings guys imo.
I liked Phils clips too, but the army training dips were too much!! (only joking) We used to push our guys to their limits, especially when completing circuits. Thereâs nothing better than that âglowâ of sweat eh?! Must say though Phil, thatâs one helluva grading structure!
Keep the clips comingâŚ
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;889573]Good old Vietnamese Wing Chun eh!
Iâd lay money on these guys being more âShaolinâ as their heritage may not have even touched Ip Man, similar to some mainland styles. And yes, sometimes the back is turned, all in context I might add, especially when training âplum flowerâ stepping.
What about this one? Look out for the stance âtrainingâ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjVkhnx10c[/QUOTE]
I see some Gu lo WC in there and some stuff that LTâs Wing Tsun does too.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;889577]I see some Gu lo WC in there and some stuff that LTâs Wing Tsun does too.[/QUOTE]
Ah! But that would be telling us that LT had âother connectionsâ, as heâs always suggested, which canât be right, can it? I believe Leung Sheung was a very accomplished practitioner.
FME Some of these schools represent what I like to call the âmissing linkâ Personally I feel that Lee Shing Wing Chun also falls into this category, but I would do wouldnât I?
Only last night I was viewing some footage from The Academy in 2004 and there we were, practising certain drills that look exactly like some of these Viet examples. Thing is, I had never seen this type of Wing Chun anywhere else until late last year!
My mind now is hoping that there are more people out there with similarities like this. I donât think these guys practice the three forms either, and I know most Gulao (Kulo) branches specialize in 12 sets rather than three forms too.
Now, what other clips are there today? Gems like thisâŚ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l5A4bQ7TydI
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;889583]Ah! But that would be telling us that LT had âother connectionsâ, as heâs always suggested, which canât be right, can it? I believe Leung Sheung was a very accomplished practitioner.
FME Some of these schools represent what I like to call the âmissing linkâ Personally I feel that Lee Shing Wing Chun also falls into this category, but I would do wouldnât I?
Only last night I was viewing some footage from The Academy in 2004 and there we were, practising certain drills that look exactly like some of these Viet examples. Thing is, I had never seen this type of Wing Chun anywhere else until late last year!
My mind now is hoping that there are more people out there with similarities like this. I donât think these guys practice the three forms either, and I know most Gulao (Kulo) branches specialize in 12 sets rather than three forms too.
Now, what other clips are there today? Gems like thisâŚ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l5A4bQ7TydI[/QUOTE]
Gulao has branches that do 12 , 22 and 40 points.
No WC system stands alone, as much as die-hard WC nutriders would like it to be so, no system is an island.
And that wooden dummy clip sucked 
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;889586]And that wooden dummy clip sucked :p[/QUOTE]
It was a good effort! :eek:
Someone might want to point out the importance of âpersonal geometricsâ first though!
I am familiar with the 12, 22 & 40 point systems (well, from what Iâve researched online!) and they all seem to be typical âloose handâ (Sansau) techs from Leung Jan. Even we practice a (type of) 40 point system at The Academy prior to any forms, but I have to add here that they are âwrittenâ.
Ofcourse, beginners like to learn numbers first as the language is just a mystery.
Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? âUpper Arm Trappingâ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrE
[QUOTE=HardWork8;889532]Thanks for the clips, eventhough I need to take some âtime offâ to see them all, but then I donât see too many better reasons to take a break.
By the way, the last clip was good and a few of the techniques looked, dare I say, rather âShaolinishâ. It is amazing how a relatively small style (I am talking about techniques/etc. and not popularity) can encompass so much variety [as long as it falls within the artâs concepts and principles, that is].
Of course, the fact that its concept based elements gives it room for variety.
PS. Did I see one of the exponents turn his back on his training partner on 0.29?[/QUOTE]
hi HW8,
would i be right in saying that your lineage looks simmilar to this?
the reason i ask is that i know you trace yourselves back to Fung Sui Ching, and your SiGung also practised shaolin arts
any way - i liked the video⌠interesting take on wing chun
Just want to discuss the clipâŚ
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;889589]
Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? âUpper Arm Trappingâ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrE[/QUOTE]
This suff is beyond me⌠at 21 ish secs hes not using his Pak Sau side elbow to take the opponents space so of course the opponent can hit him with the free arm.
At 29 ish secs his Pak has an inferior direction with regard to cutting off the opponents ability to follow with an elbow.
So each action fails (as he agrees in the vid)..why ? IMO because of his elbow behaviour. BUTâŚ
When he offers a better application the elbow behaviour changes LOL to that of which he should have used in the original examples at the top of the clip. All be it in a differnt way but that perplexes meâŚLOL not the first time 
Also, IMO hes not trapping anything. IMO a trap by very definition TRAPSâŚleaving an opponent with very limited options of movement ie no space and in a vt sence no elbow space !
What he offers as a correct way of trapping is cutting an angle to limit his opponent.
What do you think ? am i alone here�
Dont mean to sound scathing of this lineage but the actual theory and application shown is worth discussing IMO.
DREW
[QUOTE=LSWCTN1;889718]hi HW8,
would i be right in saying that your lineage looks simmilar to this?
the reason i ask is that i know you trace yourselves back to Fung Sui Ching, and your SiGung also practised shaolin arts
any way - i liked the video⌠interesting take on wing chun[/QUOTE]
To be honest it doesnât really look that similar, however I found the clip interesting. The wide horse training in our school does not include receiving strikes. One is supposed to keep the breathing deep and relaxed and focus for as long as possible.
Obviously there were techniques that correlate with most if not all Wing Chun branches but there seemed to also be many differences. Of course, that was just a short clip and I would have liked to have seen their approach to the internal and Iron Palm, among other things.
SiGung is a master of various Shaolin arts but during his time in Paris he only taught Siu Lam Wing Chun. So what you saw in the seminar (I believe that you were there) would have been purely Wing Chun with perhaps some cross references to Shaolin which my sifu has experience of.
However, I will stress that during the classes only Siu Lam Wing Chun is taught.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;889589]Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? âUpper Arm Trappingâ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrE[/QUOTE]He is a Taiji guy who visited Gulao/Kulo, so it is no surprise he does things differently even if it is inspired by Gulao Wing Chun.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;889589]Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? âUpper Arm Trappingâ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrE[/QUOTE]
actually, thatâs Imperialtaichi - he posted the clip about a week ago in the taiji forum, where he mentions it looks very WC-like, but it seems like he is coming from a taiji perspectiveâŚ
Risking redundancy I know, but thatâs taiji not WC.
The dummy one did not impress, there was no body unity in those strikes, and not much speed, power or anything else to make up for the lack of fundamental structure.
Philâs guys and Sanjuroâs WT clip were impressive.