[QUOTE=CFT;889813]He is a Taiji guy who visited Gulao/Kulo, so it is no surprise he does things differently even if it is inspired by Gulao Wing Chun.[/QUOTE]
That is what I thought, the clip title should reflect this ‘inspired by’ attitude imo as there are many Gulao practitioners that offer far more meaningful drills than the ones shown in this clip.
So, what’s the latest??
Jordan Wing Chun?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aAduLaqIWe8
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;890017]That is what I thought, the clip title should reflect this ‘inspired by’ attitude imo as there are many Gulao practitioners that offer far more meaningful drills than the ones shown in this clip.
So, what’s the latest??
Jordan Wing Chun?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aAduLaqIWe8[/QUOTE]
What? no defense VS a grenade?
BAH !
[QUOTE=Liddel;889723]This suff is beyond me… at 21 ish secs hes not using his Pak Sau side elbow to take the opponents space so of course the opponent can hit him with the free arm.
At 29 ish secs his Pak has an inferior direction with regard to cutting off the opponents ability to follow with an elbow.
So each action fails (as he agrees in the vid)..why ? IMO because of his elbow behaviour. BUT…
When he offers a better application the elbow behaviour changes LOL to that of which he should have used in the original examples at the top of the clip. All be it in a differnt way but that perplexes me…LOL not the first time 
Also, IMO hes not trapping anything. IMO a trap by very definition TRAPS…leaving an opponent with very limited options of movement ie no space and in a vt sence no elbow space !
What he offers as a correct way of trapping is cutting an angle to limit his opponent.
What do you think ? am i alone here…?
Dont mean to sound scathing of this lineage but the actual theory and application shown is worth discussing IMO.
DREW[/QUOTE]
It brings up the issue many people have with trapping, typically those that fight VS non-WC people, and that is the moment you try to bridge to trap you are getting pasted with the opponents other hand.
To say that you elbow should be a an certain angle to counter that is typically irrelevant because, as any non-WC person will tell you, the counter punch happens as you move into the “trap”.
Now, the more “correct” trap should be done off the centerline (gasp) to angle out and avoid the counter.
But how can that be? isn’t WC a centerline based system?
Yes, but you are still on the centerline, YOUR centerline…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2mQ4Mcoic
Crappy WC VS crappy San shou
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;890019]
But how can that be? isn’t WC a centerline based system?
Yes, but you are still on the centerline, YOUR centerline…
;)[/QUOTE]
Gary Lam chimes in with his Chinese accent: Make him not facing you.
Ya darn rights I’m angling off instead of standing there like a statue showing off my superior Chun! And times better spent hitting, anyways.
I hear ya
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;890019]It brings up the issue many people have with trapping, typically those that fight VS non-WC people, and that is the moment you try to bridge to trap you are getting pasted with the opponents other hand.
To say that you elbow should be a an certain angle to counter that is typically irrelevant because, as any non-WC person will tell you, the counter punch happens as you move into the “trap”.[/QUOTE]
Fair call Ronin, but i would add that timing is the deciding factor. Based on what you said i would offer the idea that the Pak would be used at different times to avoidte counter punch. I.e as an interupted action , as the opponent has already commited to an action to help your own timing etc
The two important timings IME are when you use it aginst the opponent, typically against my TKB sparring partners i cant initiate the pak as a first action like in the vid of the very reason you put foward.
But even more important - the timing between the Pak and your follow up punch…many have a one two timing which IMO is asking for trouble… you have to be quicker than that, practically simultaneous…then its effective IMO.
My sparring partners arent proffesionals though so i realise it has its place
DREW
Does nobody else think Sanjuro’s ‘old skool’ vid is totally crap?
I though the guy in Sanjuro’s clip showed good occupation of his opponent’s space and continuous aggressive attack.
It would have been better if his partners in the demo weren’t quite as passive and accommodating.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;890019] . . . .
But how can that be? isn’t WC a centerline based system?
Yes, but you are still on the centerline, YOUR centerline…
;)[/QUOTE]
TWC uses both centerline and central line.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;890178]Does nobody else think Sanjuro’s ‘old skool’ vid is totally crap?[/QUOTE]
It was a “demo”…
[QUOTE=anerlich;890187]I though the guy in Sanjuro’s clip showed good occupation of his opponent’s space and continuous aggressive attack.
It would have been better if his partners in the demo weren’t quite as passive and accommodating.[/QUOTE]
Agreed and for the record I have never been a fan of beating on your demo partners.
Well…not all of them anyways.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;890189]TWC uses both centerline and central line.[/QUOTE]
That’s because you have the REAL WING CHUN ™.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;890189]TWC uses both centerline and central line.[/QUOTE]
I thought that all Wing Chun used those.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;890265]That’s because you have the REAL WING CHUN ™.
:D[/QUOTE]
Hey, don’t even go down that dreaded path . . . :eek:
REAL is relative. 
[QUOTE=HardWork8;890272]I thought that all Wing Chun used those.[/QUOTE]
I would hope so.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;890277]Hey, don’t even go down that dreaded path . . . :eek:
REAL is relative. [/QUOTE]
Oh, I’ll go there Mister, I’ll go there and take you with me kicking and screaming !!
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;890296]Oh, I’ll go there Mister, I’ll go there and take you with me kicking and screaming !!
:D[/QUOTE]
The “real” question is wether you know where you are headed?
In the dummy clip I want to know what he hopes to achieve with the right hand cutting tan sau he keeps doing (from outside the arm, e.g. at ~10s, 16s, 27s and more). Of all the moves he does that one sticks out to me as the most useless and dangerous and he keeps repeating it.