I train in a bunch of different places. I train with MMA people, boxing people, Judo people, BJJ people, wrestlers, and Kung Fu People.
Personally I’m Kung Fu and Judo (Kung Fudo - or Ju-Fu… not sure what I prefer)… anyway - the people that are training in these places don’t obsess about this is this style and that is this and we do this nearly as much as forum posters. Heck, what most are interested in are innovative solutions to common problems. Guys will ask in BJJ “hey, you got a takedown for when someone does this?” and I’ll say “here’s one from Judo” or a Judo guy will say “what was that cool thing you were doing?.. diu sau???”
It’s the same when someone puts me into some new hold - I care more about learning the hold than all the other nonsense that gets brought up on this forum.
This forum needs a way to upvote…
At the end of the day every fighter (traditional, street, sport) should be working on what works for them and figuring out how to stop what’s working against them.
I haven’t gotten around that much but I only see this attitude on the forum, not in the real world. I asked Pat Barry about trainng with Shawn Liu and he mentioned he just spoke with him recently so he doesn’t have a problem with CMA.
Other guys I’ve worked with that train MMA view me as just another martial artist. When a friend owned The Scrapyard in Orlando (full contact kickboxing) I was invited to do a half-time show and called back again to judge some fights.
It’s only the whackos that show up here. Why, I have no idea.
I train in a bunch of different places. I train with MMA people, boxing people, Judo people, BJJ people, wrestlers, and Kung Fu People.
Personally I’m Kung Fu and Judo (Kung Fudo - or Ju-Fu… not sure what I prefer)… anyway - the people that are training in these places don’t obsess about this is this style and that is this and we do this nearly as much as forum posters. Heck, what most are interested in are innovative solutions to common problems. Guys will ask in BJJ “hey, you got a takedown for when someone does this?” and I’ll say “here’s one from Judo” or a Judo guy will say “what was that cool thing you were doing?.. diu sau???”
It’s the same when someone puts me into some new hold - I care more about learning the hold than all the other nonsense that gets brought up on this forum.
It’s the same where I teach and where I go train. Mixture of people trying to figure out the best counters and techniques.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1155966]It’s the same where I teach and where I go train. Mixture of people trying to figure out the best counters and techniques.[/QUOTE]
That’s how it is everywhere that people gather to learn anything. Students and teachers alike. Teachers especially dig any learning moment they can get for themselves when it happens. It’s awesome.
I used to have a gang of 4. A TKD guy (Sandy Nash), a Hapkido guy (Donny Brown), an Okinawa Karate guy (John Ray), and a Kung Fu guy (myself) (MMA was not born yet). We sparred everyday and had a lot of fun. My TKD friend learned forms from me and I learn TKD kicks from him. I also has a professional MT guy as my sparring partner. I learned roundhouse kicks, elbow, and flying knee from him and my MT friend learned joint locking from me. We always compare the “similarity”. We had never said, “My style does differently than your style does.”
This forum is very funny. Some people like to start a thread and talk about
kick,
Fajin,
weapons,
footwork and stance exercise,
in his own style section. As if he only cares about opinions from people of his own style and not from people of different styles.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1155994]I used to have a gang of 4. A TKD guy (Sandy Nash), a Hapkido guy (Donny Brown), an Okinawa Karate guy (John Ray), and a Kung Fu guy (myself) (MMA was not born yet). We sparred everyday and had a lot of fun. My TKD friend learned forms from me and I learn TKD kicks from him. I also has a professional MT guy as my sparring partner. I learned roundhouse kicks, elbow, and flying knee from him and my MT friend learned joint locking from me. We always compare the “similarity”. We had never said, “My style does differently than your style does.”
This forum is very funny. Some people like to start a thread and talk about
kick,
Fajin,
weapons,
footwork and stance exercise,
in his own style section. As if he only cares about opinions from people of his own style and not from people of different styles.[/QUOTE]
People who are out to show difference are not out to learn. They’re there for their own ego. People who share similarities are there to learn.
Also, those who are only interested in hearing about what they do are usually out for validation. Generally, that is. Of course when dealing with the psyche it’s never black and white and we all fit into each category at one time or another.
[QUOTE=SPJ;1156085] kung fu people and many other arts people are open to things out side of their styles …[/QUOTE]
You had posted a MT training clip before. In that clip, the instructor showed the roundhouse kick to the head should be a 45 degree “downward” curve instead of a 45 degree “upward” curve. The “downward” curve roundhouse kick just doesn’t exist in TCMA. It’s easy to train the “upward” curve. It’s not easy to train the “downward” curve. If we always try to maintain “pure”, we will never be able to improve ourselves.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1156100]You had posted a MT training clip before. In that clip, the instructor showed the roundhouse kick to the head should be a 45 degree “downward” curve instead of a 45 degree “upward” curve. The “downward” curve roundhouse kick just doesn’t exist in TCMA. It’s easy to train the “upward” curve. It’s not easy to train the “downward” curve. If we always try to maintain “pure”, we will never be able to improve ourselves.[/QUOTE]
The angle would change based on effectiveness (evolution) and still stay within the framework of a style without degrading the “purity” of the style.
[QUOTE=SPJ;1156085]actually, kung fu people and many other arts people are open to things out side of their styles
whatever works works.
however, judo and aikido people are kind of a closed society with rank and file etc
:([/QUOTE]
Not the Judo where I’m from. You routinely see incorporation of Sambo, wrestling, and BJJ. Modern Judo competition has a strict set of rules that always “tries” to favor the Kodokan and Japanese players. That’s frustrating. For example, you can no longer attack the legs directly with initial moves such as the single leg and double leg takedown or Kata Garuma and you cannot close the guard. This is IMHO because of the success of the Russians and French in international competition and a growing fear of American Newaza specialists.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1156130]Not the Judo where I’m from. [/QUOTE]
One of my students just asked me the following question. He had 22 years in calligiate and freestyle wrestling and some coaching.
What do you think about me going to a Judo/Akido open mat here in XYZ (location deleted). I’m not joining their school, just looking for someone I can use the stuff your teaching me to throw. I stopped by once and sparred with their head instructor for 30 min or so and got him with outer leg sieze, tearing front cut, hip throw, and I think leg sieze/neck mopping. I used the grip breaking technique you showed that Judo guys don’t like. He worked alot of face/chin pushing on me and hand grabbing, but never took me down or tapped me out when I took him down. He did try to pull me down for a reverse headlock, but I wasn’t down far enough, so he locked around my eye. That’s how I got the black eye.
I didn’t mention ACSCA or your name because I wasn’t sure it was ok with you. Please let me know what you think about it. I’m still pretty new to the Martial arts world, so I’m not familiar with what’s ok and what’s not.
Here is my response to him.
To test your skill against different styles is always a good idea. Just don’t make people to think about that you try to challenge their style. It may be better not to let them to know too much of you.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1155957]I train in a bunch of different places. I train with MMA people, boxing people, Judo people, BJJ people, wrestlers, and Kung Fu People.[/QUOTE]
My guys also share the same attitude as you do. Here is another E-mail that one of my guys sent to me to describe his experience dealing with people from different styles.
I have been doing this (using overhook) in my own wrestling with my Sambo/MMA school, and I like the results. Since all the guys I wrestle with on a regular basis know how much I love a good headlock, they play very safe when clenching with me and make it more difficult to use my favorite set up.
I took your advice and have started using Overhook for the past couple of times I have trained. I have found that I stay safer for longer (less commitment and I can fight his waist control better), and get what I want- a clear opening for headlock. One of our better guys and I wrestled for off and on three hours today. This guy is a bit of a monster and gives me some trouble. It was a very fun training session, and I had a much easier time dealing with him. He uses a body lock with outer hook very effectively. I always welcomed his body lock (because I could get a headlock) but then I would not always be ready for his bear hug/ outer hook. He is a very strong guy who is 50-60 pounds heavier than me, so that was not always good for me. Today, I used that overhook very effectively against his attempts for a bear hug/ body lock. I was able to defend his set up very well and control him much easier. It is funny, this tool was always in my tool box, but I did not think to use it like this.
Since we talked about this, I have tried to think about what you said- “If you have Overhook, you have a headlock whenever you want”. I will also focus on using it as a offensive position to attack from.
