Does anyone know what the reversal to a standing figure 4 lock is?
(specifically a standing figure 4 lock, your right arm locking theirs with left arm bracing the lock)
When you are in the lock, I know to pull your elbow off of their bicep to relieve pressure, but Im not quite sure how to reverse the lock from there… any help would be great. thx.
SD
straighten your arm and punch them in the face for being dumb 
Are you referring a move when you have someone’s back and then they lock your arm or a technique when you are face-to-face? Is it a straight or bent armlock?
Please clarify…
Ok… Ill describe as best I can.
Basically, if they were facing you and you had their right arm locked, their elbow would be bent and their hand by their ear about, your right arm going under their tricep and holding their wrist. Looking at it, it looks like a 4. Once the lock is set, you can brace it by putting your left hand under their elbow and onto your right forearm.
Hope that wasnt confusing… 
Edit: their right elbow should be rested on your right bicep to make it so they cannot pull out of the lock.
ok, that’s what I thought…
my first post is correct
Once the lock is set, there is no way out (as far as I know). As they are applying the lock, you can straighten your arm out and then circle it down around THEIR arm. This gives you an over-hook. From this position, you can get Diagonal Cut, Cracking, or Forward March from the rear. You may also be able to get a straight arm bar, but that is much harder to accomplish.
Truewrestler, you’re post is only partially correct. The loc works well. Hint-It’s neither a submission lock, nor a break.
Theres a reversal to EVERY lock.
once you are locked, slide your elbow off of their bicep, and Im not quite sure where to go from there… possibly lock their hand and drop to horse? But that just sets you both into a more or less “neutral” position…
Theres an anti chin-na to every chin-na… But god d@mn some of them are hard to figure out. 
Edit: Yes I know better than to try and get out of it while sparring, but Id like to know the reversal anyways…
Originally posted by Shaolin-Do
Theres a reversal to EVERY lock.
once you are locked, slide your elbow off of their bicep, and Im not quite sure where to go from there…
If they are good, your elbow is going to be wedged in the crook of your elbow. By the time you “slide” out of it, you shoulder will be dislocated.
Yes I know better than to try and get out of it while sparring, but Id like to know the reversal anyways…
Have you actually ever been placed in this while sparring? I would find that EXTREMELY suprising.
I mean the guy is placing both of his arms on one side of your body while standing. You should be able to circle behind him at this point and do anything you want.
"Have you actually ever been placed in this while sparring? "
Ask WD, sifu kirk is a bad mofo. Doesnt leave me standing tho, as soon as he gets me locked my feet get taken away.
Sifu Kirk chokes me for fun:D
WD took his beating while he was here too
I dont ever try and get out, thats how you get hurt. I was just curious as to what the proper reversal is. CPA and myself tried for a while last night to figure it out, but we cant get to another solid lock from the figure 4 position. Can get to a “neutral” position, but thats no good.
Ive used a figure 4 ‘lock’ as a takedown, several times in sparring. Of course a takedown or throw has more to it then just getting the lock by itself. Works good vs people with a weak cross (leave it out there.. slow!..)
:eek:
SD, you should check the "Comprehensive Analysis of Shaolin Chin-Na. It has a simalar lock in it and it may have the reversal.
BTW, John wants to go to Shuai Chiao on Thursday with us.
TW is correct.
Originally posted by truewrestler
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Have you actually ever been placed in this while sparring? I would find that EXTREMELY suprising.
I mean the guy is placing both of his arms on one side of your body while standing. You should be able to circle behind him at this point and do anything you want. [/B]
Begin in a standard clinch. Your right hand is grabbing theback of his neck with your right forearm draped down over his collar bone. Your left hand is grabbing at the crook of his right elbow, pushing the elbow back.
First, walk him around a little bit to get him watching for the throw.
Next take your right hand from his neck and circle it between your bodies and back up until your right hand is now behind his right elbow. While you are doing this, your shoulder or torso will be pressing against his body.
As soon as your right hand goes behind his right elbow, it snakes thru and grabs his right wrist. At the same time, you abandon your left hand grip on the crook of his elbow and place your left UNDER his right elbow. Push up with your left hand and pull back with your right at the same time to set the lock.
Since the “way out” of this lock is backwards, reap him! (O Soto)
And yes, Kirk is a BAD, BAD man!
Yeah, hes quite good at slapping me around to let me know I still suck.
CPA - cool. Dude in my english class is probably gonna start goin with us next week too.
Edit - well still need like 3 or 4 more people to be an official squad.