Stance training can have some base level value (for beginners) and some fitness value, but beyond that, I can’t really see any point.
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Could the point possibly be all the unexpected benefits I got in the last 6 weeks?
One of the aspects regarding stance training that a lot of people dont seem to understand is that stance training is just a small portion of a total package.
On average, Chinese Martial Arts will be very in depth, with many many aspects to the training.
Many of these aspects only will effect small portions of your training and each, individually, may not seem worth the effort.
It is the combined total effects of various outlets in the training that, when combined, actually create a very large over all effect in your training.
Stance Training is one such element. It is not meant to be your “total leg workout”
Its just one aspect of traditional Chinese Martial Arts…if you cannot understand this concept, that may be why you do not understand what the benefits of Stance Training in Chinese Martial Arts are…
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;769611]Stance training can have some base level value (for beginners) and some fitness value, but beyond that, I can’t really see any point.
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Could the point possibly be all the unexpected benefits I got in the last 6 weeks?[/QUOTE]
the benefits you got weren’t anything that shouldn’t be expected - they were all structure based. Going back to the comment you responded to, he said “base level value” - perhaps there were some errors in your structure initially anyway. Just a theory.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;769610]Maybe if your only focus is muscle development, but stance work is for developing a good structural alignment..and THAT has major impact in everything we do, not just fighting.
Just look at the mechanics of a golf swing. Before you even start to move, you are taught the structural alignment of the skelatal system..where the shoulders must be held, where the feet are put, where to place the elbows so you have maximum effectiveness when you move (mechanics)
Now, a Golfer does not need stance work, because he does not have an opponent trying to forceably break his structure, but in a fight we do.
Stance training is a great tool to help you develop a difficult to break structure. Since your structure is the underlying support for your mechanics, it has great bennift no matter what level you are at…it’s so much more than developing simple Quad endurance. It’s really not just for beginners. Infact if you quit stance work as a beginner, then you will never really get the intended benefits.[/QUOTE]
nobody said it can’t be helpful at all, only that there are more efficient means. Judoka and wrestlers not only have someone trying to break their structure, but also have to support someone else’s weight on it - yet they do no stance training.
we mention the leg endurance thing in response to all of the quacks who say strance training builds strength.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;769581]Isometric: exercise in which muscles are briefly tensed in opposition to other muscle or to an immoveable object.
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What about when they are contracted for a long time?[/QUOTE]
when they are held longer, the nature of it changes - IT BECOMES AN ENDURANCE EXERCISE, and is no longer building strength - like prolonged stance training.
Not what I was asking. If it’s called “isometric” if the contraction is short, is it still called isometric when the contraction is long? If not, then what is it called?
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;769642]Not what I was asking. If it’s called “isometric” if the contraction is short, is it still called isometric when the contraction is long? If not, then what is it called?[/QUOTE]
gotcha. it’s still an isometric exercise - the exercise doesn’t change, only it’s benefits. Iso = same and metric = distance, so the “same distance” exercise is not affected by time. time changes the benefit you receive, be it strength or endurance.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;769641]when they are held longer, the nature of it changes - IT BECOMES AN ENDURANCE EXERCISE, and is no longer building strength - like prolonged stance training.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, who needs endurance. :rolleyes:
Yeah, who needs endurance
Wrong type of endurance training if endurance is your goal. Maybe you fight people holding a horse stance for 15 minutes but those here on planet Earth tend not to.
[QUOTE=Black Jack II;769698]Wrong type of endurance training if endurance is your goal. Maybe you fight people holding a horse stance for 15 minutes but those here on planet Earth tend not to.[/QUOTE]
Bingo!
Endurance training for fighting should be done with intervals of high intensity (HIIT or Tabata intervals) because fighting is bursts of explosive movement. Anaerobic activity does increase indurance and recovery.
This is why I would rather fight a marathon runner than an olympic weightlifter.
I really don’t argue with people who don’t have much first hand knowledge of the subject.
I’ll add before I go, that you don’t work the position just to gain strength. You do the work to have strength in the position. To have a solid platform to move through.
Holding a ma bo for 5 minutes in a fight is ludicrous. Its ridiculous to even use it as a point of arguement. But I can’t even say how many times have I seen people fight where they can’t keep their legs bent for more than a minute without failing. Or Walking in stalk straight either on their tip toes or bow legged holding melon balls.
Do some stance work, then come talk to me about it.
I really don’t argue with people who don’t have much first hand knowledge of the subject.
The arguement, if that is what it is, is about using stance training as a endurance boosting agent. In a static platform I can agree with that, I have also said static work is not all bad, but as a method of endurance building through a 360 degree model it is something else.
HIIT would get you far more end results if a full range of endurance is your key goal then just stance work alone. Hell, it makes no sense to even argue the subject, add other methods of cardio performance to your static training, and everyone can shut up.
The stabilization system of the core requires sustained contractions of
The stabilization system of the core requires sustained contractions of between 6 to 20 seconds to properly stimulate the motor units.These muscles must be trained over prolonged periods of time to increase endurance and allow for dynamic postural control. this means that through prolonged periods of stance training greater nerve conduction is acheived in the motor units and as well
This is why I would rather fight a marathon runner than an olympic weightlifter.
Then you’re smoking crack, unless you’re planning on getting into a 2 hour long fight.
RD…on the subject of your golf comment… you ever played golf? Stance work is quite a bit of it.
Your saying Merry, if given this odd choice of two fantasy combatants that you would rather fight the weightlifter than the marathon runner???
Provided we’re talking stereotypes, you bet!
I’d fight the marathon runner. He may have more endurance than I do, but he’s going to have far less ability to hurt me.
Of course, I could use good footwork to tire the weight lifter first, and then kick his ass…unless he’s also a marathon runnner…then I ma screwed.
“youth and skill will always be overcome by age and treachery”
just saw this on a t shirt. pretty good one
what can stance training offer us in the way of avoiding the treachery of old people?
Or in my case, aid in perpetrating the treachery of old people ('Cause I’m gett’n old)