Spinning backfist.

[SevenStar]

@ewallace

Hey Seven, just imagine a spinning back fist from Brian connecting at full speed right on the temple. All I can say is ahhh ****!

:eek: <==== the progression of what would happen to me after being hit by him…

[SevenStar]

@Yum Cha

Of the tournament knockouts I’ve seen, I would say, undoubtedly that the spinning backfist was responsible for the majority. Easy, powerful and with the extra 16oz at the end of the leash, it delivers a lot of energy into the brain bucket.

The caution is, if you are slow, telegraph or the opponent rushes in, it is easy to attack the elbow to a shattering level.

7# mentioned the spinning hammerfist. That would turn the elbow to a less vulnerable angle, I reckon.

you guys compete with 16’s?? Must be nice. I’ve never been in a competition where we fight with anything greater than 12. I train with 14s or 16s though.

[ewallace]

@SevenStar

:eek: <==== the progression of what would happen to me after being hit by him…

That’s about what my progression was…except for the frown. I was the dumb ass not paying attention in class and walked right into it. Never has happened again though. One of those tough lessons in life.

[bodhitree]

@Akhilleus

No…absolutely not…

Oh and if you have to use it in real life, be careful, I wouldn’t hit the guys skull with the back of my hand without gloves and with that much momentum…maybe turn the hand one way of the other so your not hitting with all those little bones in the back of your hand…

practice iron palm

[Kristoffer]

@GunnedDownAtrocity

if were thinking of the same punch i got a bunch of guys in class to call it the nazi punch. i can’t remember what sifu called it though.

hehe yeah everyone gots different names for the same stuff. I think the correct boxing term is over hand but I usually call it a drop punch.

[Becca]

@GunnedDownAtrocity

i loved the spinning backfist. for some reason i really took to it. i crushed the pads and it wasn’t one of my best techniques in sparring but i wasn’t bad with it.

i did use it in a way i havent seen mentioned yet though. since im short and generally preferred lower stances i struck to the body with them. i never really planned for it or had a stratagy (which is likely why it wasn’t one of my best techniques), but i would just throw it out there whenever i found myself stepping in at a 45 anyway. if i remember right, much more often than not it would slip right under their guard and catch them in the breadbasket. and then i was all like you just got owned by a little man newbie.

I’ve used it this way as a target of opporunity strike, but it is much more effective if you go after the head or the sweet spot where the neck and sholder meet. One of my favorite combos is to set up a hook kick and use the back fist as a closer, then turn the hook kick into a sweep, finnishing off with an elbow to the nose. Very effective this way.

[hunglengjon]

I use the spinning back fist in my long fist form.

A straight left then a quick and deceptive spin into dragon. BANG! Right in the temple. Real nasty.

[Yum_Cha]

@SevenStar

you guys compete with 16’s?? Must be nice. I’ve never been in a competition where we fight with anything greater than 12. I train with 14s or 16s though.

Sorry 7*, generally speaking. Our tournaments used lightweight gloves as well.

I guess the point I was making, is that with any additional weight, the swinging arm at velocity delivers more kenetic energy into the target.

I wonder, what are the white crane players take on the spinning backfist?

[BibitClerus]

for the record id like to say ive seen it effectly being used on:
1 professional mma fight
1 real fight between 2 untrained people

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

ha … how did that real fight end?

[ewallace]

@GunnedDownAtrocity

ha … how did that real fight end?

With Xebs still not gettin any.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

lol … that aint even right dude.

i mean im laughing and all, but still.

[IronFist]

I didn’t read the thread. Sorry if this has been answered already.

I agree that hitting someone’s skull with the back of your hand would hurt, but could you tilt your hand to the side so that it became more of a “spinning-horizontal-hammerfist” and hit them with the bottom part of your hand? That’s much more padded.

edit - n/m SevenStar just mentioned that on the top of the 2nd page. If SevenStar endorses it it’s ok by me.

[BibitClerus]

@GunnedDownAtrocity

ha … how did that real fight end?

the mma one… the guy who did backfist knocked the other guy out
the street fight… the dude who did the backfist (my neighbour) won, the other kid got tired of being ***** slapped in general terms. i watched this one from my backyard.

[BibitClerus]

@ewallace

With Xebs still not gettin any.

yeah dude but you see, back when i saw that fight of my neighbour vs other dude i was a young kid. i was so young and i didnt even know my peepee was small. or i thought all peepees were standardly small. or maybe they really were at that time and age. i had no idea id turn out to be what i am today.
all i remember is disliking having to stop playing to go to the church on sunday… my mom mades us go…
i remember usually me and bro fought when we came back from church, i dunno why, maybe cos it was fun.
i remember what i liked about going to church is sometimes we would go to the bakery store when coming back and my dad would buy some really good goodies food you know.
i remember i wanted to have a dog but the doctors said i couldnt cos i had ahsmatic bronquitis.
i remember a lot of times i thought the other kids were dumb cos they would run around like retards and fall all the time, i would just sit and wonder wtf was wrong with them.
i remember i didnt want or care about losing or gaining weight back then.
i remember i thought some kids were mean, and they really were, but they always got away with it one way or another.
i remember i wasnt one of the mean kids.
i remember i knew a curse or two, and the first time i said, my mom hit me. the other times she didnt hit me no more heheh

[Akhilleus]

Hey guys if anyone noticed the fact that I said:

“I have a book that covers the backfist and which part of the hand to strike with…I will try to find it tonight then post what it says…”

on the first page of this thread I am sorry but I don’t seem to be able to find the pages I was referencing…I’m thinking it was either a book someone lent me or in a magazine…or maybe it was in the Tao of JKD which is pretty long so it would be be kind of hard for me to find…however, I think I remember it anyway and what is interesting is it didn’t reccomend using the “hammer fist”/bottom of the fist for a backfist, it advised turning the hand the other way and hitting with the top of the fist…personally I’m not sure if this is a good idea 'cause you do have that one bone that sticks out where your thumb attaches to your hand…but I’m pretty sure that that is what it said…dag I wish I could remember where I read that…

I did find some info on backfists and the spinning backfist in particular:

In Jane Hallander and Doc-Fai Wong’s “Shaolin Five Animals Kung Fu” the description of the dragon style states that: “Wu long bai wei (dragon swings his tail) is similar to a spinning backfist. The dragon practitioner uses his waist with a whiplike action to obtain power.” I’ll try to find some photos of this technique in the book when I have a chance to try to provide a better description of how it is done…

From Bruce Lee’s Fighting Method: Basic Training - The backfist (NOTE: not a spinning backfist) punch is not the quickest nor is it too strong because you are unable to utilize the total body movement. But it is one blow in which you can fully apply the whipping or snapping motion…It is thrown more like a swing than a forward thrust…you can put more momentum into the delivery…there is more elasticity…in your wrist…bending it from side to side (rather) than up and down…that means that you are able to whip or snap it more vigorously…although some power is lost in this punch, it is compensated for or redeemed when combined with lop sao (grabbing the hand technique)…

anyway I didn’t find exactly what I was looking for but I found some very interested books that I had forgotten about…I’m going to read them and then probably start a new thread regarding some of the “new” ideas I’ve rediscovered…