http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX60tdwPEcc
WTF?
I Don’t know what this is either…
That looked… strange. But hey, I don’t know much about Southern Mantis…:o
[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;1019206]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX60tdwPEcc
WTF?
I Don’t know what this is either…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhTkGq1DdqM&feature=related[/QUOTE]
the first guy, and I MAY BE WRONG, looked a lot like James Cama - but again, I COULD BE WRONG!
the second guy was just…well, I don’t know what to say about that…
yes, the first guy is Sifu James Cama.
His skill is well known among SPM practitioners.
He is the chosen instructor for the Chinese Freemasons gym, a position once held by the Grandmaster, Lam Sang.
[QUOTE=SanHeChuan;1019206]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX60tdwPEcc
WTF?
I Don’t know what this is either…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhTkGq1DdqM&feature=related[/QUOTE]
The first video was clearly Mantis. The second video, first guy, was doing some form of kung fu, looked like a diviate form of Wing Chun. The second guy in the gi was clearly doing Karate.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1019247] The second guy in the gi was clearly doing Karate.[/QUOTE]
The second guy in the gi was clearly doing Lau Gar Kuen, a form from the Hung-Gar system.
(although it was clearly not a good performance;-)
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1019248]The second guy in the gi was clearly doing Lau Gar Kuen, a form from the Hung-Gar system.
(although it was clearly not a good performance;-)[/QUOTE]
Yea, the first guy had some good chops, the second guy was OK, wouldn’t slap him for it.
I have advice for both of them. T-shirts. Plain old T-shirts.
James Cama was interesting. The ‘shuttering’ in SPM is common, and normally looks like dynamic tension. His looked different.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1019233]yes, the first guy is Sifu James Cama.
His skill is well known among SPM practitioners.
He is the chosen instructor for the Chinese Freemasons gym, a position once held by the Grandmaster, Lam Sang.[/QUOTE]
So, that would be considered a good performance for that Form then?
It’s not for me to judge. I am not familiar with that form.
(I do know that Sifu Cama is highly skilled and well-known for this.)
Many Sifus, when performing a public demonstration, will do sections of a form, or several forms, rather than show the entire form. They show what they choose to the public.
Until very recently, SPM was only taught to the Hakka, and even then, only to a select few. It is one of the systems that is still considered closed door.
I think it’s great that it’s being taught and shown more and more openly, and there are alot of interesting videos on youtube, but there is much that will probably never be shown to outsiders.
BTW SanHeChuan,
I thought it funny that you didn’t recognize Lau Gar.(I believe you used to do LSW Hung-Gar in your past?) That happens to me as well. I was once judging in a tournament, and it wasn’t until the guy was half way through his form that I recognized it.
It was that awful. Not the person so much, as the way he was taught to do the form. It was obvious that he spent alot of time on it. He was simply doing what he was taught, and I suppose in his school, it was considered to be very good, as he and his fellow students were extremely upset at my low score, even to the point of questioning me about it. They actually said, “He does it perfectly!”
I raised one eyebrow (in my best Sean Connery immitation) and said, “Perfectly?”
They didn’t get it.
They also do a very interesting Bung-Bo.
I would pay money to have seen you sitting in the judge’s seat for that one!
ahh..after reading your profile, I mistook you for someone else.’ :eek:
It was the Law Clansman that threw me off.
I thought you were Sifu Albright, who’s name on here used to be (or still might) Law Clansman..
Ok, rather than delete my post, I’m keeping it up, cause it’s still funny.
How many others have had this same experience?
(not the mistaken identity, the discovery that you were watching someone do a form that you were very familiar with)
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1019306] the discovery that you were watching someone do a form that you were very familiar with)[/QUOTE]
I have seen some very…interesting evolutions of CTS CLF & Lama forms popping up here and there of late…certain things just glaringly incorrect to those in the know…
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1019248]The second guy in the gi was clearly doing Lau Gar Kuen, a form from the Hung-Gar system.
(although it was clearly not a good performance;-)[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't know Lau Gar if it was trying to crawl up my behind, but it must be some sort of Karate look alike or maybe since you consider it a poor perfromance it might have been influenced by karate or some such. His version of it anyway. I did some ****o long ago for a little while, and it was the first thing that came to mind when viewing that video. They had me learning short forms and when I asked how many of these forms there were, my sensei said he really didn't know. I think it might have been around a hundred or so. Maybe that is not right, but then it could be too. It didn't take me long to determine that I was not going to like it very much.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1019348]I wouldn’t know Lau Gar if it was trying to crawl up my behind, but it must be some sort of Karate look alike or maybe since you consider it a poor perfromance it might have been influenced by karate or some such. His version of it anyway. I did some ****o long ago for a little while, and it was the first thing that came to mind when viewing that video. They had me learning short forms and when I asked how many of these forms there were, my sensei said he really didn’t know. I think it might have been around a hundred or so. Maybe that is not right, but then it could be too. It didn’t take me long to determine that I was not going to like it very much.[/QUOTE]
Sh1toryu has probably the most forms of any Okinawan Karate system.
As far as lau Gar looking like Karate-actually it doesn’t look anything like Karate.
That will give you an idea on that guy’s performance.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1019355]Sh1toryu has probably the most forms of any Okinawan Karate system.
As far as lau Gar looking like Karate-actually it doesn’t look anything like Karate.
That will give you an idea on that guy’s performance.[/QUOTE]
there is a line in Goju’s Sepai that is almost exactly the same as the first forward moving sequence from LGK, at least the version I learned from Ross as compared to what I saw one of Urban’s original students doing;
The second video is ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE! Wrong tempo, wrong energy, and terrible techniques! LOL, and they are suppose to be making a movie??? :eek:
Richard A. Tolson
I know that Sifu James is very highly regarded but I never liked his “flowery rendition” of SPM, just a personal thing , no slight on his skill of course.
The other guys seemed like they were combining a few systems…
I hate to be the jerk here, but it’s not my first time!
lol
I thought it was all sub standard.
As I don’t know any of those guys and even less about them, I don’t feel bad making that observation.
The first one looked just weird. I can’t see what the point of demonstrating that was. There was nothing there in any way shape or form that would attract me to that art and if you aren’t trying to get more students, then why bother demonstrating?
The others looked like typical guys who just wanted to make a flick with whatever it was that they knew. I didn’t like the shape or flow of either of the sets they chose to play. It looked jittery, stiff and rigid. No flow, no hint of power.
So, my vote goes for none of it. And I can’t apologize for that. 
Sh1toryu has probably the most forms of any Okinawan Karate system.
As far as lau Gar looking like Karate-actually it doesn’t look anything like Karate.
That will give you an idea on that guy’s performance
haha yeah that did not look like any of the Lau Gar I ever learned. I learned it 2 different ways. Both are differing in aspect but they both maintained the BOX shape within the form. From the history I learned of it, the Lau family married into the linage of Hung, and this form “Lau Gar” was given as a gift during that time from the brides family Lau. Not sure if that is the whole story but it what I heard about it. Might be totally wrong even. 
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1019302]It’s not for me to judge. I am not familiar with that form.
(I do know that Sifu Cama is highly skilled and well-known for this.)
Many Sifus, when performing a public demonstration, will do sections of a form, or several forms, rather than show the entire form. They show what they choose to the public.
Until very recently, SPM was only taught to the Hakka, and even then, only to a select few. It is one of the systems that is still considered closed door.
I think it’s great that it’s being taught and shown more and more openly, and there are alot of interesting videos on youtube, but there is much that will probably never be shown to outsiders.[/QUOTE]
Do you really believe what you have typed? There are things that will never be shown to the public? You want to know why? Because the secrets are bullsh!t. The reason why these super sifus never show their secret stuff is because:
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They would lose their sense of superiority from knowing something no one else does which is actually a form of insecurity.
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They might get laughed at because they kept something so stupid secret.
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Someone might actually challenge them to fight a televised full contact fight like Ray Pina used to. Then the video would be reviewed and this secret bullsh!t would not be visible at all.
It is too bad that these super sifus with their deadly secrets never fight in the mma because they would all be exposed for their crap.
Tentigers,
I do not know anything about you but your reverence of these secrets makes you sound child like in an innocent, “I believe evrything my dad tells me.”.