[QUOTE=Violent Designs;929781]It reads like fake Chinglish - e.g. purposely misspelled words, incorrect grammar, etc. just to make himself sound more “Chinese.” :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
I honestly haven’t paid much attention, but I can say that unfortunately some people on here in the past HAVE tried to sound Chinese when they were not
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;929781]It reads like fake Chinglish - e.g. purposely misspelled words, incorrect grammar, etc. just to make himself sound more “Chinese.” :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
So, both omarthefish and you are chinese?
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;929785]I honestly haven’t paid much attention, [/QUOTE]
I agree with you, stay focus on the topic.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;929701]I have a question for the expert in Hung Gar. Is all the sifus in the following Youtube clip good in what they are practiced? high standard Hung Gar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDTniv8PuW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPwU1A0N5GM[/QUOTE]
Hung Ga Iron Wire - Chi Chi Ling 2000 - a very good one, this guy is strong, Thanks for this one. 
I’m starting to agree with Violent.
Not so sure Hendrik is even Chinese anymore. I’m gonna have to start backwards engineering his grammatical mistakes to see if they are consistent with Chinese grammar. Things like:
Using get away from the opponents’ path as entering, thus, short technics broken the long technics
The grammar is all messed up but it doesn’t really match Chinese grammar either.
Hendrik also keeps changing his mind between wether lineage is important of weather info should stand on it’s own. When questioned about his own background he spits out a fortuen cookie about “only trainings speak true meaning” but when I challenge him on ideas he goes off about lineage and asks where my name is in Guangzhou.
He’s pure double speak and is about 3 or 4 more posts away from going onto my ignore list.
Not so sure Hendrik is even Chinese anymore. I’m gonna have to start backwards engineering his grammatical mistakes to see if they are consistent with Chinese grammar.
Isnt it the topic of this thread is on Southern similarities?
What does it matter even if Hendrik is Martian?
Things like:
Using get away from the opponents’ path as entering, thus, short technics broken the long technics
The grammar is all messed up but it doesn’t really match Chinese grammar either.
Chinese Grammar? what is Chinese Grammar? Which Chinese Grammar?
what is this Grammar stuffs got to do with this thread?
Communication is as simple as if one doesnt know or not clear one asked, instead of go off topic.
Hendrik also keeps changing his mind between wether lineage is important of weather info should stand on it’s own.
EVeryone has free will to speak their ideas. and the world is not black and white but fill with gray and colors.
and agaiin, what is this got to do with the topic?
When questioned about his own background he spits out a fortuen cookie about “only trainings speak true meaning”
It is a personal choice to share one’s background or not.
and there is no point of making fun of others communication style.
again, what is this got to do with the topic?
but when I challenge him on ideas he goes off about lineage and asks where my name is in Guangzhou.
No one needs to take any challenge if one decide not to.
Again, Which of my previous post asked "your name is in GuangZhou’?
He’s pure double speak and is about 3 or 4 more posts away from going onto my ignore list.
I am really glad and Thank you that you put me in your ignore list asap.
that way, you are free I am free.
[QUOTE=SIFU RON;929858]Hung Ga Iron Wire - Chi Chi Ling 2000 - a very good one, this guy is strong, Thanks for this one. ;)[/QUOTE]
How is other sifus are they as good in Hung Gar?
Hendrik,
Do you realize, that asking any Hung Gar guys that have martial ethics/Yi Hei if various Sifu’s are “good” or not, is by its nature a difficult question to answer? To say another Sifu is not good when he is your senior, on a public forum could be construed as disrespect to that family or lineage.
One could say that each of the videos you posted showcase different approaches to Hung Gar. Here are some examples of Hung Gar that show how differently it can be played:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9vpYKMBmXY
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;929874]Hendrik,
Do you realize, that asking any Hung Gar guys that have martial ethics/Yi Hei if various Sifu’s are “good” or not, is by its nature a difficult question to answer? To say another Sifu is not good when he is your senior, on a public forum could be construed as disrespect to that family or lineage.
One could say that each of the videos you posted showcase different approaches to Hung Gar. Here are some examples of Hung Gar that show how differently it can be played:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9vpYKMBmXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja2WVX2_Zn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0WQVDf-Wi8[/QUOTE]
Thanks and you are absolutely right!
Perhaps a better question to ask is what is the individual performers’ style and strong point? What do you think?
I think that question may potentially get more answers. I have seen Hung Gar that is played very gong, some that is played very yao (I recall Kwan Tit Fu’s lineage trains this way), short arm/small circle, longer arm/bigger circles. In the end one may only really speak on what they do, since that which is outside of what they specialize in ends up being more conjecture since it is not experienced first hand.
On the topic at hand, I would agree that I have yet to see Wing Chun methods/technique that are not in Hung Gar. That being said, since even Hung Gar itself can be played in so many ways (specializations), Wing Chun can as well. I don’t know the Kyun Kuit/Martial Phrases (sp?) for Wing Chun, but they may also differ from those found in Hung Gar. From that viewpoint, Wing Chun is indeed specialized. Hung Gar Sifu’s each tend to specialize a great deal as well, which is part of why I illustrated how different the expressions can be. If I played my Hung Gar in line with the Wing Chun Kyun Kuit, would I be doing Wing Chun?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;929866]Isnt it the topic of this thread is on Southern similarities?
What does it matter even if Hendrik is Martian?
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It points to the fact that you are a hypocrite and the very likely possibility that you are a complete fraud. Your online personality is made up and you are, in general, FOS.
what is this Grammar stuffs got to do with this thread?
And what do various iron wire comparisons have to do with finding similarities between Choi Li Fut, Hung Gar, Lama Pai and WC? And what does lineage have to do with any of that either? The thread was right on topic until you showed up and ruined it with your fortune cookie nonsense.
Communication is as simple as if one doesnt know or not clear one asked, instead of go off topic.
rofl. Look at Hendrik trying to make a point about clear communication except that…well…he’s off topic and his writing is so vague no one can tell WTF he is trying to say.
EVeryone has free will to speak their ideas. and the world is not black and white but fill with gray and colors.
and agaiin, what is this got to do with the topic?
You tell me. Your the one who posted this BS. If you want to know what I have to say on the topic, just read well…any post at all that is not addressed to you. You are pulling the same BS you pulled on the Siu Lum Tao applications thread. You make up some nonesense and then ask why somebody else posted it. When called on your BS you ask why we are not on topic.
YOU Hendik, you are the reason I am not on topic. You fill half the page with your ridiculous posts with an inch and a half of space between each line.
It is a personal choice to share one’s background or not.
and there is no point of making fun of others communication style.
again, what is this got to do with the topic?
If it’s a personal choice then you can STFU about Wong Fei-hung’s tomb and all that. YOU brought it up and then YOU complain about it. What’s it got to do with the topic? How about, just try it on for size, why don’t you actually post something about the topic? So far, just as in every other case, you yourself are the worst offender of what you complain about.
Again, Which of my previous post asked "your name is in GuangZhou’?
Post #31 on this very thread:
[QUOTE=Hendrik;929719]oh, your back ground very impressive.
Rank is a different story though, rank is where were you located say under Wong Fei-Hung or Iron bridge three’s family tree and who certified you. Otherwise, who knows if you learn a legitimate stuffs?
Usual TCMA right?[/QUOTE]
I think that question may potentially get more answers.
I have seen Hung Gar that is played very gong, some that is played very yao (I recall Kwan Tit Fu’s lineage trains this way), short arm/small circle, longer arm/bigger circles.
In the end one may only really speak on what they do, since that which is outside of what they specialize in ends up being more conjecture since it is not experienced first hand.
Thank you for the suggestion and sharing!
On the topic at hand, I would agree that I have yet to see Wing Chun methods/technique that are not in Hung Gar.
If one take Wing Chun’s technigue as Wing Chun, then Wing Chun is just classical White Crane Eng Chun of Fujian.
As we know the 400 years old white crane mother of Wing Chun which influence Southern China martial art big time.
That being said, since even Hung Gar itself can be played in so many ways (specializations), Wing Chun can as well.
In a strict rule, there are definite definition or clear boundary for each style if it is well design. crossing the boundary will have become a different style. IMHO.
I don’t know the Kyun Kuit/Martial Phrases (sp?) for Wing Chun, but they may also differ from those found in Hung Gar.
Yes, indeed. different animal.
If I played my Hung Gar in line with the Wing Chun Kyun Kuit, would I be doing Wing Chun?
IMHO, Played doesnt make a style. long term Conditioning is what make a style. as the Chinese said, Kung Fu Kung Fu. it is the long time conditioning of mind/breathing/body/Qi in a specific way that makes a style. Thus, Wing Chun is not White Crane of Fujian, as we know all the Wing Chun Technics can be found in Fujian White Crane hundreds of years ago.
EI: the iron wire and SLT, the conditioning is very different, thus the result is also different.
As an example, the Iron Wire using the making sounding breath to condition the internal organs, where else, the SLT dont take that path but using “entering into silence” as the theme to cultivate the Shen, then the Zhen Qi follow then influence the internal organ.
There are also a different between Qi pressing downward to Dan Dien or Qi shink into Dan Dien.
SLT is using the Qi Shink into Dan Dien, where else, IMHO, I could be wrong, Iron wire is closer to Qi pressing downward to Dan Dien method.
One is spread loose waving in silence, one is dynamic tension playing with Expanding and contraction with focus intention.
One is using the Shen Yee to direct the Qi and to transport the physical body. one is using the Yee to directly activate the physical body.
thus,
One can mimic others style " movement" but at the impact one is still using a different type of Jin due to the long term conditioning.
Thus, I have heard,
In the old time, It is only with this level/depth of attainment, that one is considered to have some handling of a style. or Yup Mun or Enter the door.
Most of us today (sure including myself) never get this far, thus, IMHO, there is no WCK there is no Hung Gar… but chop sui kuen because we just mimic movement have little Kung at all.
Just some thoughts.
Lee,
Thank you and appreciate for your sharing.
Do you do Siu Lin Tao as in WCK? Please share more about this style and also your father’s history that is very interesting. Which part of china you original from?
> Hendrik, I do a similar Sil Lim, but as with most lineages today, it alters in appearance some. I have not seen many other lineages to compare. I have seen a few people on Utube do it and some were really different, some quite similar.
My father owned a grocery, hardware, and drygoods store, but was really a gangster. I grew up working a day job as a printer for most of my life, and working for crooks at night. I have even owned a few printing businesses of my own.
I wonder if your Hung Fa Wing Chun is related to Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun there founder was Hung Gun Biu maybe your founder named Hung is the same person . What does your Wing Chun look like such as Yip Man , Yuen Kay San or Pan Nam Wing Chun what would you say it is close to ?
Firehawk, I am going to have to be honest with you. I have not seen many people do wing chun except those that I taught and those that taught me. I have seen it on Utube now and again, but I have seldom run up on anyone that is a Wing Chun fighter. I have watched a few utube clips and would say that my WC is pretty much the same in the basics.
I would agree that it was probably handed down by Hung Gun since it was called Hung Fa. I don’t know how closely it comes to Hung Fa Yi, and I have only seen a few real good clips representing Ip Man’s WC and it looked pretty much the same to me. I couldn’t say about the other 2. I watched Bill Cheung back in the late 60’s or early 70’s doing Wing Chun and his was very much the same as mine. Only lots better.
Hi Lee Chiang Po
Thats interesting about Bill Cheungs Wing Chun i asume you mean William Chueng his Wing Chun is said to be similar to Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun . Do you have any pictures of your Wing Chun that you could post ?
Thats interesting about Bill Cheungs Wing Chun i asume you mean William Chueng his Wing Chun is said to be similar to Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun . Do you have any pictures of your Wing Chun that you could post?
I have no video clips or pictures. Nothing that would show off my fighting style anyway. Back when I was younger and more active in my Wing Chun we did not have real video cameras, and pictures were taken in rolls of film, so I never did get off into that.
Yea, I meant William Cheung.
Lee,
Thank you for your sharing, and respectable life story.
Looking at the history, in my very humble opinion,
Hung Fa is an art of the Hung Mun, instead the art of Chinese Imperial Army .
for those who are interested in Hung Kuen, Hung Fa, and Wing Chun
http://wingchunkuen.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=13155#13155
great, except that it is in Chinese. Can anyone translate it? Even a poor translation like babelfish would help, but to say,“Here’s information, everybody” and then post something that is not translated is rather insulting.
That’s his MO.
p.s.
I took the time to translate the first chunk of it but it’s kind of difficult reading and doing the whole thing in one sitting could make my head explode:
“Wing Chun”
—1860
Around 1860, after the LI Wen-ge’s invention of the Taiping Empire, Guangdong Opera performances were banned.The opera performer Huang Hua-bao, while living in Foshan, took on Liang Zan as an apprentice. Liang Zan organized Huang Hua-bao’s material and developed it from there.
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The forms: First he created a completely new sytem or training consisting of only 3 forms. Going from the superficial to the deep there was the Siu Lumtao, Chum Qiu and Biu Jee as special forms only found in Wing Chun.
In those forms there are absolutely no traces of other styles or of any other southern Shaolin in the boxing methods. It includes the Southern Shaolin 6 and a half point staff (which was traded from Liang Er-di)
1854(?-1858)15 ()
At that time Hong’s Taiping Tian Guo was rebelling against the Qing dynasty and (1854) Li Wen-mao of the Red Boats provided many fighters to the rebellion. As a result the Guangdong Opera was banned for 15 years. It was during this time that Huang Hua-bao and Liang Er-di started to openly teach martial arts. Er-di had studied the Qingzhou Hongbing boxing. (The Snake Style Hung Boxing, was renamed "Shaolin Quan after after the burning down of the Qiong Hua Academy) He was skilled in the six and a half point staff. Liang Zan was a traditional doctor skilled in bone setting and injury treatment already before he went on to learn gong-fu from these two. After Liang Zan re-organzied their gong-fu curriculum, he started teaching.