it says weng chun is unique because no other style has its three forms
i think it only proves weng chun is new, not unique
[QUOTE=bawang;930047]it says weng chun is unique because no other style has its three forms
i think it only proves weng chun is new, not unique[/QUOTE]
Well, imagine that. Other styles don’t have Wing Chun forms. :rolleyes:
"In those forms there are absolutely no traces of other styles or of any other southern Shaolin in the boxing methods. It includes the Southern Shaolin 6 and a half point staff "
boulderdawg, um, dash!
Hung, SPM, and other Southern Shaolin styles contain yee ji kim yeung ma, tan, bong, fook, pak, biu, gaun,etc.
If it includes the Shaolin staff, which is an extension of the hand, then again, this article contradicts itself.
Ah, but the article IS written in Chinese, by someone who must be very important, so it must be true…:rolleyes:
We don’t really know the source of the article. I’ve only read what Omar has translated and skimmed some of the rest. It doesn’t seem to me to be particularly scholarly. It maybe a newspaper piece by some WCK “master” who wants to proclaim the preeminence of their lineage.
I remember reading an article by a great–grandson (I think) of Chan Wah Sun who claimed that they had extra secret forms in their line. This was the article about CWS taking on Wong Fei Hung and beating him when WFH came to challenge Leung Jan. Sounded like baloney to me. Both articles seem like they are cut from the same cloth.
Do you guys need another translation? I can translate later today after I get some rest . . .
Go ahead translate these
Red Boat Enternal Spring
—1870
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(1870)((1854)192072
Fa Hung Kuen (Flower Hung Kuen)
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1—‘’
Hung Kuen Praise the Spring
2—‘’
Shao Lin Praise the Spring
3—
Red Boat enternal Spring
4—‘’
White Crane enternal spring Praise the Spring
5—‘’“”“”
Hung Gar Starting Choy Gar ending Praise the Spring
() Chan Kok Kei Enternal spring or Fa Hung Kuen
()1932()
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I wasn’t talking to you.
I thought you are Chinese too? Maybe you are lying?
How about YOU respond sometime, when I write something to you in Chinese, back to me in Chinese?
Instead of playing the ignore game or redirecting everything I say with sh1t like “please use English this is an English forum.”
It seems like you only use English when it suits your needs, and yet you spam Chinese articles without even bothering to translate them?
I’m not the one trying to prove my point with Chinese articles, the one trying to prove a point is you. So it is YOUR responsibility to translate what the hell you are talking about to non-Chinese speaking people.
How about these? let the world know what is going on.
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Originally Posted by Lee Chiang Po View Post
I have read all sorts of stuff concerning CMA and Gung Fu, but I think most of it is simply made up and represents very little of the actual truth. Marketing or whatever, but when dealing with Chinese history we can get some real BS. One thing I can say for certain is that in 1955 WC was called Hung Fa Wing Chun or just Hung Fa by everybody I knew that practiced it. So called after a fellow by the name of Hung. And this version at least came out of Canton, China.
I wish I knew something about Choy la fut or Hung Gar, but I don’t.
Chiang
Lee,
You are absolutely correct about Chinese make up history. Now it is known Internationally people Selectively choose the version of history they like to serve themselve, got nothing to do with Facts. Even the stuffs you are certain, those also within the boundary of “HIs–story”
As I mention in other post, IMHO, now, most of the stuff we train are just Chup Sui Kuen, a mess.
Hahaha. life. Until one sure what one does what can one knows about others? hahaha taking care of one’s own business is a better deal. Sure, it sound fortune cookie, but until one Knows and Sure. what matter?
You guys go sort out who is who what is what. hahaha. I rather relax and listern to the following song since I am just sharing what I found and nothing more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYFqhXIW1o&feature=related
They are illusions
They are not the solutions they promised to be
The answer was here all the time
Don’t cry for me Argentina
Have I said too much?
There’s nothing more I can think of to say to you.
But all you have to do is look at me to know
That every word is true
You really are the worst sort of person.
Violent Designs on Hendrik says
"I wasn’t talking to you.
I thought you are Chinese too? Maybe you are lying? "
Why be personal? Hendrik is Chinese and very competent in dealing with Chinese texts-old and new. Dialogue even with different POVs is better than being personal. IMHO.
Joy Chaudhuri
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;930087]"I wasn’t talking to you.
I thought you are Chinese too? Maybe you are lying? "
Why be personal? Hendrik is Chinese and very competent in dealing with Chinese texts-old and new. Dialogue even with different POVs is better than being personal. IMHO.
Joy Chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Joy,
Thanks.
For me what matter is if we tell the truth and contribute good to the world.
life is simple, just present it is as it is.
and always know knowing a thing is not the true knowing.
instead to trying keep arguing on something one have not specialized on or even have any clue, it is better to stay in silence, as the teaching of WCK ----> using silence to lead the action.
Best Regards
Hendrik
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;930087]"I wasn’t talking to you.
I thought you are Chinese too? Maybe you are lying? "
Why be personal? Hendrik is Chinese and very competent in dealing with Chinese texts-old and new. Dialogue even with different POVs is better than being personal. IMHO.
Joy Chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Avoiding questions by posting more questions, and using circular logic is not having a dialogue.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;930087]"I wasn’t talking to you.
I thought you are Chinese too? Maybe you are lying? "
Why be personal? Hendrik is Chinese and very competent in dealing with Chinese texts-old and new. Dialogue even with different POVs is better than being personal. IMHO.
Joy Chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
hes looking down on people because he thought they couldnt understand chinese so he posts a chinese article , turns out we all can read chinese
i think thats stupid pretending to be smart
all he posted was some generic info from another chinese forum
he only make message here because someone mention weng chun
[QUOTE=bawang;930099]hes looking down on people because he thought they couldnt understand chinese so he posts a chinese article , turns out we all can read chinese
i think thats stupid pretending to be smart
all he posted was some generic info from another chinese forum
he only make message here because someone mention weng chun[/QUOTE]
Those are what you think . not my issues.
Read my previous posts and read it as it is without reading your own mind.
I am sure everyone is capable to do that , just needs a little patient to comprehend before jump gun or get personal.
This thread is becoming a major clusterfukk:mad:
Not to start a new argument (there are so many unfinished ones still) but the idea that Wong Fei hung went and challenged someone is absurd
Not only was he ultra famous for his ethics and trying to stop fighting, he (and here’s where the crap will start) wasn’t particularly known himself as a FIGHTER! He was a great herbalist, a great teacher, a great mediator, etc but never thought of as a fighter
show me where it says that in Chinese…
I don’t know if I can say I agree with that statement about WFH, but I don’t know that I can disagree either. More importantly, I don’t know that it matters at all.
Just for the record, the world has something like 7x as many people on it now as it did a hundred years ago. For all we know, even the most famous CMA guys could have been big fish in small ponds. That in no way affects the pursuit of evolving said arts in my book.
[QUOTE=bawang;930099]hes looking down on people because he thought they couldnt understand chinese so he posts a chinese article , turns out we all can read chinese
i think thats stupid pretending to be smart
all he posted was some generic info from another chinese forum
he only make message here because someone mention weng chun[/QUOTE]
There is a lot of kung fu knowledge in Hendrik’s posts. I don’t understand everything but I know enough to know that Hendrik practices real wing chun and he knows it, whereas others here go on shooting in the dark and only hitting their own foot.