The difference between you and I is that I don’t hide behind aliases. My name is Hiram Viera. I am from Connecticut, and I train “from time to time” due to to the fact that I work full time, go to college four days a week, aaaand :eek: I have quite a ways to travel to class.
I am giving a first hand account based on my opinion of Mr Chin. I form opinions based on experience, not gossip or “reputations”. There’s no need to constantly trash people fukien, that only reveals the flaws in your character. I am not perfect myself but…
Can’t we just stick to the topic??
Your entire “account” of Norman is that you “find him to be a very nice guy” and you
“know” he has a reason for the things he does.
How do you “know” these things? Has he told you, or are you operating on blind faith?
Have you learned any breakdowns , applications, stretching or breathing techniques of
the Jook Lum system? After all, his is supposed to be Jook Lum school. Not a Hung Gar
or Choi Li Fut school.Ã
first of all, none of use cares about yor little “full time” life or yor real name, hiram. Secondly, wut are u getting all defensive about fukien? God! Gin foon Mark, now there’s a guy I’d like to meet him one day. Anwayz, wut iz the topic!? Just cause Normin teaches lion dancing, that dont make him the Blue Fairy. Any idiot who has legs can learn to lion dance. Anyone here gonna fight in the Wong Fei Hung Tournament? The Keyword iz “FIGHT,” not forms competition, or chi sao, or weapons.
I heard that the students at Normin Chin’s school practice bareknuckled and that anyone who asks for gloves gets laughed at. THis true? And I also heard Normin Chin runs his school the same way Chan Bong does: if yor white he just takes yor money and strings u along teaching u jack. Iz this also true? ARe u guys his “real” students or do u just go down to the YMCA and get charity lessons?
fgxpanzerz,
I was responding to fukien’s initial question with regard to my statement of “from time to time”, in order to clarify for him. Once again I must say that I, unlike some of you, do not hide behind aliases. I have reviewed my prior statements and I fail to see where I adopted a “defensive” stance on the issue. Your opinion is duly noted.
fukien,
Yes, I have learned breathing exercises and form applications.
I’d like to ask a question to whoever it was that said that teachers who teach SPM publicly is teaching nothing but crappola; What about Gin Foon Mark? He’s acknowledged by most to be the premiere representative of Jook Lum in the US (at least I have not seen any websites or forums posts to the contrary :)) and he has been teaching publicly for many many years. Are you saying he’s also not teaching the full SPM? That would mean his students have been getting jipped for decades! I’m not trying to start an argument, just looking for clarification.
By the way, Great Ghost of Elvis!! You people sure stay up late to cruise the web. Think of all the Chi that’s being expended…
What we do in life, echoes in eternity
–Maximus Decimus Meridius, General of the Army of the North, Commander of the Felix Legions
Thanks for the warning about Norman Chin and his
“disciple classes”. In the early 70’s I became a
special student to a teacher from the Moy Yat line. I paid $1,000 for this honor. For the money I was shown the secret techinque of the two thumb eye poke.
BEWARE!! If any MA teachers demand special fees for disciple traning. You are sure to be conned.
The fact that the teachers is Asian is no guarantee that he is any more honest than the next crook.
I plan to post to the Kung Fu forum the topic of
Special Student Traning. All those MA Con Artist should be exposed. I will tell my experince with MOY YAT and his special students
Hello. Sorry you had a bad experience with one of my sihings. I mean no disrespect and I don’t want to cause you further grief by picking at an old wound of yours. However, If you are able to discuss it, I am interested in your story. If you would prefer, feel free to contact me privately. If you don’t, I understand.
I wrote about a similiar situation a while ago. It was my first post to these forums. Here is the link if wish to read it.
While, I am sure, you had your reasons, why didn’t you go to Moy Yat directly if you wanted to learn Ving Tsun in NYC?
I am very curious with whom you trained in the early 1970s. Moy Yat emigrated to the US in 1973. Since nearly all of his senior students were still in Hong Kong, Moy Yat had virtually no senior students in NYC until after 1975. A senior student, Henry Moy, arrived in NYC around that time too, but, I don’t believe he started teaching until many years later.
About the only person of whom I can think, if memory serves, would be Lee Moy Shan. Still, since he didn’t start teaching until about late 1974, we may just be uncovering an interesting mystery.
Fukien, if u became ever became a real disciple of Normin Chin’s, lemme tell ya, u’d have a big hole in yor pocket cause u’d have to dig deep to pay the fees. ABout that thing u said where a person pays a few hundred dollars, garbage. Those are people who think they’re getting the real deal. ARe u one of these hundred dollar “disciples,” fukien?
this is bullshite, southern mantis, yau kung mun, bak mei cant spar like this because it would inflict too many injuries. This depends on the way you have been shown the techniques, i thought most mantis techniques kill or break limbs like yau kung mun. so how can you sparr with bare knuckles without the intent to take your partner out! cannot punch the throat, temple, eyes, organs, dont you get taught dim mak applications of your moves, where and how to strike with your phoenix eye, hammers, claws??
i think someone isnt telling the truth! i would rather spar with bag mitt then use no gloves at all. we have sensitivity sparring where, trapping, palms, hammers, and seizing is aload only, no phoenix eye’s!! then if you use ging its another story… :rolleyes:
Forget all this “dangerous and deadly” technique myth. ALL gung fu styles have “dangerous and deadly” techniques. Southern Mantis doesnt have anything special accept for shock power, in my opinion. And, how can u practice using yor phoenix eye fist if u have a glove on? How can u practice the grabs and nerve strikes with gloves? Maybe, fierce tiger, u arent in a real SPM school or wutever u were calling it.
you guys are d!ckheads, you see have you been hit with a full power phoenix eye fist? i bet you havent and by the sounds of it you havent!!
you can spar light without gloves and restricted areas yes, but when your techniques and fighting principles tell you to hit the throat, temple, eyes then dont you think someone will get hurt?!
you guys are funny!
if you live in sydney australia, i would love to see you spar full contact no holding back, no gloves. unless your kung fu is that bad you cannot punch hard enough to hurt anyone!
deadly tehcniques oooo! hahahahahaha ego you are a toss! :eek:
When Moy Yat arrived in NYC he placed an ad in the Chinese newspapers. I had a Cantonese friend call Moy Yat for info. Moy Yat had a special grand opening prices. The first 10 students would be charged $1,000 the next ten $2,000, the next $3,000… Of course it was cash only.
And these were “low” rates offered to Chinese students only.
By the time the ranks of his special students had swelled to the 100’s it would cost $10,000.
I know for a fact that Moy Yat quoted this price to prospective marks, er, i mean students.
Did any one ever pay that amount ??
An article by Robert Chu (??) alluded to this method of teaching WC. It’s called the Begging Palm.
It’s a good thing the world iz a little more cultured or no one would be learning gung fu. But nowadayz, u have to watch who yor teach iz cause there are lots of fakes and bad teachers out there.
Back to SPM. ARe u bragging about being hit by a full force pheonix eye fist? Cause if u are then that’s retarded. “I got hit by one. HAHA! I’m amazing. I bet u never got hit by a pheonix eye fist.”
hehe. I got hit slightly hard by one once and it’s nothing to brag about.
What the f*ck is “slightly hard” meaning, certainly doesn’t sound like a full fledged phoenix, sounds like full fledged toss!
Yes, you certainly are amazing, the quality of crap dribbling from your gob is of the highest level, don’t dissapoint us with your Gung fu , I’m sure it’s the same. If you think you can take a phoenix eye strike with it being “no big deal” then pay for my airfare, accomodation and I’d gladly be proven wrong by you.
Either that or who ever hit you with it couldn’t punch a hole through sh!t! You guys really are wankers!
