1)All hand forms competitors must compete in some form of sparring competition (point, continous, san shou, pushhands,etc.)
All weapon form competitors must compete in some sort of padded weapons sparring (long or short.)
3)The following are prohibited from weapon form competition:
Staffs/spears with a diameter of less that 1 1/2" and any staff made of composite material.
Knife or sword that can not stand up by itself.
Spear head that is flat.
Gymnastic-like moves leads to point loss in traditional form competition ie splits, flips, aerials, kip ups, butterfly kicks, etc.
(I think tornado kicks would still be OK because they are semi-traditional)
Points are deducted for things like “posing”, locked out joints, unrealistically low stances and other Wushu-esque affectations.
Now in the Wushu division, you can do whatever the hell you like.
Add more if you can think of some other ideas that would help keep wushu out of traditional competition.
continuous sparring to become full-contact (in terms of available targets) - takedowns, ground fighting become legal. fighting style exhibited within this event must look like your style.
Originally posted by Kymus Vash: are you implying that sparring turns into kickboxing
No, it devolves into kickboxing.
In all seriousness, I feel if that were implimented throughout most tournaments nationally (talking of the USA) there would be a nice shift towards actual exploration of a given style for efficacy. I know Isshinryu works, but I can’t fight like that in point-sparring match. I know Mantis works, never saw a mantis man (or gal) do anything resembling mantis technique in-fight.
All I ever see is point-sparring style fighting. I want to see some hard earned, style-specific skill represented in a controlled environ against resisting opponents.
so therefore the traditional arts of dai tang (tai tong)“grand earth”/breakfall , and fan tzi “summersault boxing” are therefore made obsolete because in your opinion “splits, flips, aerials, kip ups, butterfly kicks, etc” are somehow “modern” techniques.
weapons should include guns or at least some similie of a gun.
gun vs gun
gun vs wits
etc…
i like the idea of weapon sparring. that would be good. none of that padding stuff though. I mean, pay the dudes too… But let em really go for it! hahahaa
Originally posted by Starchaser107
[B]so therefore the traditional arts of dai tang (tai tong)“grand earth”/breakfall , and fan tzi “summersault boxing” are therefore made obsolete because in your opinion “splits, flips, aerials, kip ups, butterfly kicks, etc” are somehow “modern” techniques.
have fun playing karate [/B]
Well I’ve never seen those compete in a tournament. Have you?
Are those actually “styles” or are they techniques within a style?
Originally posted by SaMantis Weapons sparring would be cool, too bad liability problems & insurance companies won’t allow it.
Taiji Legacy has weapons sparring events, as does AAU Nationals.
Points are deducted for things like “posing”, locked out joints, unrealistically low stances and other Wushu-esque affectations.
Here’s the problem with this idea: pausing (or posing, take your pick) is one way to show knowledge of structure & application. “Unrealistically” low stances show leg strength & flexibility.
I think the real problem with acrobatics, low stances & posing is not that they are done but that the ring judges are “dazzled by the light.” In this case the solution is a more standardized training of forms judges. How that training should be done is, well, up to the judges.
Originally posted by Fu-Pow Well I’ve never seen those compete in a tournament. Have you?
Are those actually “styles” or are they techniques within a style?
Actually there was a ton of Fan Tzi Ying Zhao at the AAU Nationals this year. In forms, sparring, and full contact.
And as for weapons sparring, it was there, but imo it was kind of a joke. Maybe it’s better at Taiji Legacy? Although I don’t know how you can really do it well outside of a dog brothers type of environment.
Re: Some novel ideas for tournaments in the 21st century…
Originally posted by Fu-Pow
[B]1)All hand forms competitors must compete in some form of sparring competition (point, continous, san shou, pushhands,etc.)
All weapon form competitors must compete in some sort of padded weapons sparring (long or short.)[/b]
these two would never fly.
3)The following are prohibited from weapon form competition:
- Spear head that is flat.
for safety reasons, this would never fly either.
4) Gymnastic-like moves leads to point loss in traditional form competition ie splits, flips, aerials, kip ups, butterfly kicks, etc.
(I think tornado kicks would still be OK because they are semi-traditional)
and what of traditional styles that do use some aerial techs?
Originally posted by Fu-Pow Well I’ve never seen those compete in a tournament. Have you?
Are those actually “styles” or are they techniques within a style?
On a similar note, you don’t really see CMA competing in MMA. should we ban the usechinese techniques in mma too?
Gymnastic-like moves leads to point loss in traditional form competition ie splits, flips, aerials, kip ups, butterfly kicks, etc.
(I think tornado kicks would still be OK because they are semi-traditional)
and what of traditional styles that do use some aerial techs?
I’m not talking so much about aerial techniques, so much as I’m talking more about acrobatics that have no martial application other than evasion. I’m sure that we could think of a few for example:
-splits
-jumping into splits
-butterfly kicks
-kip ups
-flips
-flip/twists (I think called McTwists)
All of these are impressive athletic feats yes. But have zero martial value aside from evasion (which is even questionable.)
If people want to compete in gymnastics or wushu than so be it but this stuff has little to do with fighting and so should be kept out of traditional form competitions.
I recall the time I had to compete against a dude who just finished his WuShu division and directly ran over to compete in traditional (he was still wearing his hotpink WuShu pants.)
He showed little power, no root, but his form was “acrobatic” and so he won. No doubt the judges were also Wu Shu athletes.
But let em really go for it! hahahaa