This guy’s forms is very pleasant to watch. What else do you expect from a good form?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI
If you still train forms, what do you think about his form?
I truly don’t know how these guy’s punches can make such loud noise.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1205062]This guy’s forms is very pleasant to watch. What else do you expect from a good form?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI
If you still train forms, what do you think about his form?[/QUOTE]
Very crisp, clean moves. A wonderful base to start training fighting skill. Good forms do not equal good fighting skill, but give a good teacher a guy who can move that precisely and he could turn him into one tough fighter.
However, I can pass on the theatrical sounds. 
I like the form!
Now I would like to see some level of application. By itself, #1 trophy.
They got great form…I’m not a fan of adding sound effects though.
I’ve said it many times, I believe forms are one of the most economical training methods for working a variety of attributes that are important to a good fighter. I feel you get the biggest bang for your buck by training forms, so long as you’re doing them fast and hard.
You just must resist the temptation to train only form and deny the partner application and sparring that makes us hurt and keeps us grounded in this awful reality.
Its nice!
Kung fu is basics. We all know that you can’t see fighting ability in form, but you can see conditioning and basic training. When I see form I want the player to showcase his training. I want to see flexibility, balance and strength in stances. I want to see the waist change with great speed and maximum movement so that every change, even small, is clear. I want to see power which shakes the body, and I want to see the eyes looking at the imaginary opponent with murderous intent.
The beauty is with form we can take movements to their most extreme position which we can’t always do in sparring. A form should be a testing workout for strength, flexibility and stamina.
[QUOTE=RenDaHai;1205112]Its nice!
Kung fu is basics. We all know that you can’t see fighting ability in form, but you can see conditioning and basic training. When I see form I want the player to showcase his training. I want to see flexibility, balance and strength in stances. I want to see the waist change with great speed and maximum movement so that every change, even small, is clear. I want to see power which shakes the body, and I want to see the eyes looking at the imaginary opponent with murderous intent.
The beauty is with form we can take movements to their most extreme position which we can’t always do in sparring. A form should be a testing workout for strength, flexibility and stamina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQbZsgJ-pb4[/QUOTE]
Well said.
Interestingly, many wushu practitioners tend to retire early due to torn ligamnents, excessive training regimen affecting lower body (knee, ankle, etc) so in that opposite scenario, there is a detriment.
I heard, saw and read that there is a big difference between ‘professional’ wushu coaches and their students and those who are good teachers, who happen to teach for aliving. The professional coaches’ student are of one body type their goal is to win and secure a better level of gain so that is a great thing while regular coaches, unafiliated with a public or state institution, tend to be off all body types and tend to last longer though the students are fewer. They do, in later stages, get the help of their university but they tend to last longer than the types associated with state supported wushu.
[QUOTE=mawali;1205125]Interestingly, many wushu practitioners tend to retire early due to torn ligamnents, excessive training regimen affecting lower body (knee, ankle, etc) so in that opposite scenario, there is a detriment.
[/QUOTE]
Its true. But that is not from the old forms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTYDgvLZcSU
Its that kind of stuff. Its fine if you get it right, but screw up a few landings and you get lasting problems.
I used to train the jumps but have avoided it the last few years because of knee problems. Never get a problem with the old sets though.
A lot of people confuse traditional Long Fist forms with the modern, standardized wushu forms. They are very different things.
Was the form in the OP filmed in Taiwan or China? I ask because it really looks like a lot of the Long Fist you’d see in Taiwan, or at least in Taipei. The guy in the vid’s form is very good.
When I lived in Taipei, I had a friend who had been a student of Chiang Chang-Ken (excuse the old-style spelling) in Long Fist. His surname was Guo. To this day, Guo had the most impressive Long Fist form I had ever seen. He was very fast, explosive, and could be alternately rooted or extremely light…but his execution was phenomenal, plus he could really scrap as well. But he was the most unassuming guy and never seemed very impressed with himself.
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1205141]Was the form in the OP filmed in Taiwan or China? [/QUOTE]
Both guys were in Taiwan. The longfist in Taiwan and longfist in China do have different flavor. At 0.32 - 0.34, there is a “(San Bu Luo Di) - 3 non-landing” in the 1st clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI
Bruce Lee did that “(San Bu Luo Di) - 3 non-landing” at 0.27 - 0.31.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXP6trDByRQ
If you can still do this 3 non-landing in your old age, your physical shape should still be OK. That’s the beauty of the longfist system. It will keep you young.
The Kung Fu Loung guys have fantastic longfist form, really love watching their stuff. Their DVDs all have massive application breakdowns as well.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1205062]This guy’s forms is very pleasant to watch. What else do you expect from a good form?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI
If you still train forms, what do you think about his form?[/QUOTE]
i find this very pleasant to watch
In my time in TKD and Kyokushin I won as many medals and trophies for forms as I did for fighting.
I have found that, while not all good forms people are good fighters, that all good fighters CAN be good forms people.
Of course I don’t do or ever did flashy forms, mine were traditional.
There are those that can excel at both
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1205169]I have found that, while not all good forms people are good fighters, that all good fighters CAN be good forms people.[/QUOTE] I have to differ on this point. I know plenty of good fighters who can’t do a form to save their life. Remember Dancing Chuck? Ok, that’s not the best example ;), but I don’t think you can generalize one way or the other on this. Some good forms people make good fighters and some good fighters make good forms people. Some are too specialized to be able to cross train that way. Different strokes, or in this case strikes, for different folks.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1205170]I have to differ on this point. I know plenty of good fighters who can’t do a form to save their life. Remember Dancing Chuck? Ok, that’s not the best example ;), but I don’t think you can generalize one way or the other on this. Some good forms people make good fighters and some good fighters make good forms people. Some are too specialized to be able to cross train that way. Different strokes, or in this case strikes, for different folks.[/QUOTE]
Gotta agree with Gene on this.
There are tons of good fighters who can’t do a decent form, and would probably have extreme difficulty trying to learn how to. For example, over the years, I knew at least a couple different guys who were very awkward/sloppy, but who were very effective fighters. Neither one was ever able to do a form well, even a simple one. Another guy was a very good kickboxer with good fighting form, but he simply could not do a form very well (mental block?). They are just two completely different activities.
OTOH, most of the CMA guys I’ve known who could fight really well, also happened to be good at their forms. I don’t think it’s because of their forms, but because they wanted to become good at both. Plus, they had the dual talent for each aspect.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1205062]This guy’s forms is very pleasant to watch. What else do you expect from a good form?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85tdZYkMQWI
If you still train forms, what do you think about his form?[/QUOTE]
I could live without the Roland sample package. I hate it when I can identify which percussive package is being used. You need to get creative with that shit, rock out some plugins and make it your own.
I disagree with your agreement, Jimbo
[QUOTE=Jimbo;1205208]They are just two completely different activities.[/QUOTE] Actually, I only have contention with this sentence. Form and fighting can be completely different activities, but they can be one and the same too. Dare I say that the real masters master both? Or perhaps for real masters, there is just no distinction.
I suck at both, but maybe sanjuro_ronin can chime in again, as he says he’s had success at both.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1205213]Actually, I only have contention with this sentence. Form and fighting can be completely different activities, but they can be one and the same too. Dare I say that the real masters master both? Or perhaps for real masters, there is just no distinction.
I suck at both, but maybe sanjuro_ronin can chime in again, as he says he’s had success at both.[/QUOTE]
Define "master? then we can talk about who is and isn’t and what it takes to get there.
I always thought of it as resting on your laurels. Otherwise when others call you master you will say “No, no. I am forever a student”. No?