Tai Chi Bob, you are a passve aggressive hippy.
Can you live without breathing?
What is breath?
Where does it come from?
Can you live without water?
Where does it comes from?
Where do you come from?
Where are you?
Reality is not bound by your opinions.
Go get in a fight and measure your ruler.
Otherwise, your attacks are fruitless and rejected.
Greetings..
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1085926]Tai Chi Bob, you are a passve aggressive hippy.
Can you live without breathing?
What is breath?
Where does it come from?
Can you live without water?
Where does it comes from?
Where do you come from?
Where are you?
Reality is not bound by your opinions.
Go get in a fight and measure your ruler.
Otherwise, your attacks are fruitless and rejected.:)[/QUOTE]
I have âattackedâ no one, so i am well-fruited and accepted.. as for your suggestion of fighting with rulers, you are ****inâ into the wind, my friend, assuming more than your capacity permits..
Be well..
I[QUOTE=Shaolin;1085924] Are you saying that an âexternalâ practitioner doesnât train accuracy or precision?[/QUOTE]
Those so called âexternalâ guys also train Sung, yield, sticky, follow, sink, ⌠all those âinternalâ goodies. May be EMA guys just donât like to talke much. It doesnât mean that they donât have knowledge in those areas.
IMO, there is only the right way to train and the wrong way to train. There is no âinternalâ way to train and there is no âexternalâ way to train.
traditional european martial art
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMdXE7jNxyc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aouiUmX2kpk&feature=related
traditional african martial arts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jWaqYUJMc0&feature=related
traditional chinese martial arts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7KxuDYfpSQ
anywayâ
the ship has sailed
or the train has left.
what is done is done.
both internal and external have left town.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihWI9NUiN_c&feature=related
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http://kungfupracticebook.blogspot.com/2011/03/zheng-man-qing-sword-class.html
both yielding and advancing
both internal and external aspect are at play.
In my experience both are valuable and necessary. Even in chen style they do some strength training like shaking the pole and such. The problem with most internal stylist is they do very little pressure testing so it is easy to believe anything will work.
I train in both internal and external systems, and can see real benefits from both in solo training and in sparring. For example zhan Zhuang standing post is very useful in my Shuai Jiao and judo training. so are the strength training exercises of shuai jiao, when actually wrestling an opponent. And I was a push hands competitor and also did both internal and external for that training as well. And it paid off cause i won a gold and silver metal before. Where many of the internal guys I met having trained for years never even did any form of freestyle pushing or sparring before.
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1085905]Greetings..
Taiji is not bound by your opinions.. the internal/external debate is unfortunate, two paths to the same place, many get lost on both paths.. more on the âTaijiâ path, though..
Be well..[/QUOTE]
Ronin style hot chick pics are not bound by your opinionsâŚthe blonde/brunette debate is unfortunate, two muffs, same color, two paths to the same place, many get lost inside those muffs, errr, debates. More on the blonde path, though..
Be poor..
[QUOTE=TaiChiBob;1085937]Greetings..
I have âattackedâ no one, so i am well-fruited and accepted.. as for your suggestion of fighting with rulers, you are ****inâ into the wind, my friend, assuming more than your capacity permits..
Be well..[/QUOTE]
No worries. Keep yourself well and practice your thing and be happy.
If you truly believe you have something more special than any other martial art, then it is that which makes you happy despite the fact that it isnât likely true.
Strength/Power + Speed can also beat skill.
Roy Jones Jr. crushed dozens of opponents with physical advantage attributes alone.
He beat Bernard Hopkins who was the more skilled and technical fighter.
Later on when his explosiveness and speed died down a lot, Hopkins avenged the loss.
Technique will be there, power will decrease, and speed will decrease, but to think that power and speed have less importance than pure technique is silly thinking. Plenty of less technical fighters get by with raw aggressive, power, and strength.
Size and Power win 99.999% of the time.
It cannot be denied.
If you want the martial advantage, you have to work on:
strength, conditioning and stamina.
Your style is virtually meaningless against the basics combined with the above three.
No one has great martial skill who doesnât practice totality in their vessel maintenance.
Doing only internal martial arts without supplemental work will get you exactly no where martially.
You must work on strength and conditioning and stamina.
Most of, almost all who do not focus into these areas will be mediocre when it comes to actually testing the mettle. There are no more unknowns in this regard really. Itâs all about tweaking the methods to get higher performance out of the people who use the methods.
the old methods had some good stuff too. Weight lifting, weighted vests, arms legs, lifting stone locks or balls, running, body work, hardwork in the fields etc etc.
Gazing at your average ball of dough that calls itself a martial artist these days is indicative of the people who make claims to these ancient arts not actually doing them in totality.
[QUOTE=Violent Designs;1085984]Strength/Power + Speed can also beat skill.
Roy Jones Jr. crushed dozens of opponents with physical advantage attributes alone.
He beat Bernard Hopkins who was the more skilled and technical fighter.
Later on when his explosiveness and speed died down a lot, Hopkins avenged the loss.
Technique will be there, power will decrease, and speed will decrease, but to think that power and speed have less importance than pure technique is silly thinking. Plenty of less technical fighters get by with raw aggressive, power, and strength.[/QUOTE]
Finally, some words of wisdom! But how can an old man beat a young man? Not with strength or speed, only skill.
EO
Hopefully that will be enough.
But the old man shouldnât have to worry about fighting. He should have his students doing the fighting. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1085987]rtial skill who doesnât practice totality in their vessel maintenance.
Doing only internal martial arts without supplemental work will get you exactly no where martially. [/quote]
This is exactly my point. ButâŚif the goal of martial arts is to be as efficient as possible (as I mentioned anyone thatâs gassed out in fight knows what Iâm talking about), then training these things ad nauseum doesnât actually make you a better fighter. Training for inefficiency (ie stamina, strength, speed etc) is counterproductive to training to be efficient in terms of both strategy and body mechanics(and it is my experience that the internal arts are most efficient ie donât require strength.)
EO
It amazes me that people still debate that strength and size are not the most important aspects of fighting. They are.
The reason all combat sports have weight classes is this very reason. Two individuals with fairly equal skill sets, but one outweighs the other by 20 pounds, guess who wins 99 percent of the time.
The only time the smaller guy wins is when his skill far outweighs the bigger guys, and even than the big guy has the chance to overpower him or the âpuncherâs chanceâ comes into play.
Nothing is more laughable than internal retards who think strength training and lifting weights are somehow bad for you. Sad really.
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Nothing is more laughable than internal retards who think strength training and lifting weights are somehow bad for you. Sad really.[/QUOTE]
Ah, but thatâs not what weâre arguing about. Thatâs the old argument.
I practice internal, strength train and do cardio. But these are really counterproductive aims. Being stronger doesnât make me a better internal martial artists because internal arts, done properly, doesnât require much strength.
EO
Everything takes strength. Walking up a flight of stairs takes strength. Opening a door takes strength. Saying internal martial arts or any martial arts doesnât take strength is like saying you can breathe without oxygen.
As you grow older, your body will fail you. Period, accept it.
Deception and treachery will be your martial allies in your autumn years.
Donât be that person who can do something in their mind but cannot firect their physical body to do it.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1085998]This is exactly my point. ButâŚif the goal of martial arts is to be as efficient as possible [/QUOTE]
Itâs not.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1085998](as I mentioned anyone thatâs gassed out in fight knows what Iâm talking about), then training these things ad nauseum doesnât actually make you a better fighter. Training for inefficiency (ie stamina, strength, speed etc) is counterproductive to training to be efficient in terms of both strategy and body mechanics(and it is my experience that the internal arts are most efficient ie donât require strength.)
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You are predicating this non-argument on woefully misguided assumptions and prejudices.
Efficiency does not preclude strength. Conservation of energy, economy of movement presuppose strength and stamina. What exactly is it that you think is being conserved?
If you have no strength how are you going to execute those proper body mechanics?
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1086001]
I practice internal, strength train and do cardio. But these are really counterproductive aims. Being stronger doesnât make me a better internal martial artists because internal arts, done properly, doesnât require much strength.
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I too want to be a bad ass without all the pain and sweat.
I bet if you packaged these esoteric internal practices the right way you could net some serious $$$$$.
[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1085995]Finally, some words of wisdom! But how can an old man beat a young man? Not with strength or speed, only skill.
[/QUOTE]
Since when does age preclude being strong and fast?
How can you apply skill without strength? How can this all powerful skill be brought to bear for any significant duration without stamina?