Hendrik sez:
I am also certain that I dont know either.
So Joy,
if I remember that JAMA article correctly, there was a time you were contending that SNT contained the chan ssu jin, and that your Wing Chun had some deep ****logy with Chen’s taiji.
What changed your mind?
Take care,
Andrew
While dogmatic consistency can be foolish, I am no chameleon
as you can see above. I dont mind changing my mind when I should…but on the differences in dan tien usage between taiji and wing chun, I have been fairly consistent and clear.
My point was and is that Chen style doesnt have a monopoly
on circles… but there are different kinds of circles in taiji and wing chun. I hope that clarifies the question you raised.
joy
some questions
hendrik,
what was/is the snake body/shape?
what was/is the crane body/shape?
both, preferably in terms of posture and the body, as well as differences in mentality - for a clearer view of what your getting at
thanks
travis
Joy,
I seem to remember seeing something you wrote making that contention. Perhaps it was discussion surrounding that article. Maybe someone on the neijia or WCML has a copy?
Andrew
Re: One laugh a day, keep your doctor away!
Originally posted by Rolling_Hand
[B]Quote:
An definite answer was given by some lips. If his words as good as him…not only this turkey can fly like a bird, this turkey can sing like a bird!
[/B]
Hi Rolling_Hand,
Your comments about “lips” crack me up. Don’t ever change.
Just on the outside looking in, peeping at the keyhole, I sense your room is empty and uninteresting.
Regards,
Hi Rolling_Hand,
Your comments about “lips” crack me up. Don’t ever change.
Hi John Wayne,
I try to do my best to keep my room clean.
Now, a cowboy like you running around with all these hill Billies!
Is something up with the real John Wayne??
Are you ready to empty your “lips”?
hahaha…empty my cup!
Rdgs
Roger
Andrew (S):
I dont think that I have ever maintained that taiji silk reeling and wing chun torquing were the same. I am very much aware of the differences in both body, mind and ergo usages in each.. Without revisiting the old debates( which I dont care to), i did maintain and still do that “internal” is not the sole property of taiji, hsing I and bagua and supposedly aikido. They all involve joint alignment and ground connection- so does good wing chun. How they are aligned are different in wc and tcc .The internal label is a fairly recent one in CMA and its pointless to debate definitions. But substance? I have always argued that wc should NOT imitate taiji- would result in mediocre wing chun and mediocre imitation of taiji.
The quote I gave you was a very clear statement I made years ago. Perhaps you are remembering someone putting words in my mouth and not listening- happens in many debates unfortunately..
some questions
hendrik,
what was/is the snake body/shape?
what was/is the crane body/shape?
Why couldn’t Hendrik back up his claims???
Is Hendrik getting his new hair-do at the blue-moon saloon?
Joy,
eh, you’re right, it’s probably not worth digging up that old run-around again. Personally, I could give less of a **** about ‘internal and external’ at this point. I think people make way too much of terms when they should be concerned with anatomy, physiology, physics, psychology, and learning theory. Jawing about the ‘real chi’ doesn’t do a whole lot towards getting you better.
Later,
Andrew
Re: some questions
Originally posted by TjD
[B]hendrik,
what was/is the snake body/shape?
what was/is the crane body/shape?
both, preferably in terms of posture and the body, as well as differences in mentality - for a clearer view of what your getting at
thanks
travis [/B]
Travis,
Re read what I post days ago. The answers are there.
can of worm/snake
Hendrik just opened a can of worm/snake!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Travis,
Run a background check and people are convinced you said things when you know you didn’t.
can of worm/snake
Something about this dude Hendrik
Whenever he opens his lips, there’s more misinformation than data floating around.
An Arrow, Flushed with pride
Roger, do you look like a lady?
Your lips say Nemesis, look again to see what is indeed floating.
Too quick this time, me thinks?
Peek again through your keyhole to the Apple in your eye.
Like a smithee, all hammer, only clipping the anvil
Originally posted by Rolling_Hand
[B]Quote:
Something about this dude Hendrik
Whenever he opens his lips, there’s more misinformation than data floating around. [/B]
PlanetWC
–Roger, do you look like a lady?
**Tongue is cheeky. Someday, you’ll lick what I eat.
–Your lips say Nemesis, look again to see what is indeed floating.
**Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
–Too quick this time, me thinks?
**Too quick…humm! Were you my babe, Lee Ann Womack?
–Peek again through your keyhole to the Apple in your eye.
**My greatest strength as a consultant is to be ignorant and ask a few question.
–Like a smithee, all hammer, only clipping the anvil
**Separate your lips from Hendrik’s, what’s good for you may not good for that peeping Tom. Once that’s clear, things proceed more smoothly.
Harry Potter’s note
The Sun
This is from White Crane Wing Chun of Fujian. A Signature of Clasicall White Crane “Shape”.
It can be traced…
In the era of 1850, this was one of the symbol of White Crane Wing Chun…
Legend has it that The founder of Yee Chuan had a drawn match with a White Crane master of Fujian.
The power of the sun could have drawn the match.
The Sun consists of six direction …
This sun has been embeded in Siu Lien Tau.
He who abandon Ng Mui and or Miu Sun abandon the sun.
Find where the ancestor embeded the Sun.
It is infront of your eyes.
When the clear sun rises, the night is over.
And Spring arives.
Without the Sun, there is only forever darkness…No praise of spring.
You don’t need the reel silk of TaiJi.
The Snake has it there long ago.
You don’t need the neutrazation force of Yee Chuan.
The Crane’s Sun has it store…
just a very small idea… Siu Lien Tau.
Re: PlanetWC
Originally posted by Rolling_Hand
[B]–Roger, do you look like a lady?
**Tongue is cheeky. Someday, you’ll lick what I eat.
Walk this way. Talk this way, but Don’t Worf it down. I’ve transcended that phase.
–Your lips say Nemesis, look again to see what is indeed floating.
**Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.
–Too quick this time, me thinks?
**Too quick…humm! Were you my babe, Lee Ann Womack?
Perhaps I am just your counselor on the voyage. Unless your lips torpedo this. Try the sixth time of quickening, you may see it yet, if you are not too shielded.
–Peek again through your keyhole to the Apple in your eye.
**My greatest strength as a consultant is to be ignorant and ask a few question.
–Like a smithee, all hammer, only clipping the anvil
**Separate your lips from Hendrik’s, what’s good for you may not good for that peeping Tom. Once that’s clear, things proceed more smoothly. [/B]
My Trek is clear and my Stars are not crossed with Hendrik’s, yet you engage me as if that makes it so. Is it another room you see in the keyhole or just a mirror?
Lips say “Nemesis”, shot like arrows towards you smithee.
If eyes are peeping, can the ears be against the door too?
The path is clear, receive what comes, can you see it with your ears?
Tippeecanoe and Tyler too!
The fat lady sings!
–The Sun
This is from White Crane Wing Chun of Fujian. A Signature of Clasicall White Crane “Shape”.
It can be traced…
In the era of 1850, this was one of the symbol of White Crane Wing Chun…HS
**Your postings are more fiction than fact. Getting water from a stone is hard enough, and our wing chun ancestors can’t wash their hands while some lips like you throw the wing chun good name in the mud. Wing Chun is Wing Chun and White Crane is White Crane. And I keep reading between lies of some lips.–RH
–Legend has it that The founder of Yee Chuan had a drawn match with a White Crane master of Fujian.
The power of the sun could have drawn the match.
The Sun consists of six direction …HS
**Ok, mom must be a woman and papa must be a man, keeping doing what you’re doing and soon you’ll get out of the first grade!!!–RH
–This sun has been embeded in Siu Lien Tau.
He who abandon Ng Mui and or Miu Sun abandon the sun.–HS
**You got lips, so does Donald duck, but you’re full of false innuendo’s facts.–RH
–Find where the ancestor embeded the Sun.
It is infront of your eyes.
When the clear sun rises, the night is over.
And Spring arives.–HS
**With your lips, you’ve had your fair share of false starts.
Man is nature’s sole mistake. A little learning is a dangerous thing, but a lot of ignorance is just as bad.–RH
–Without the Sun, there is only forever darkness…No praise of spring.–HS
**Surprise yourself with your fear of being overlooked is leading you to be the fat lady.
So, what’s your last song?-RH
–You don’t need the reel silk of TaiJi.
The Snake has it there long ago.
You don’t need the neutrazation force of Yee Chuan.
The Crane’s Sun has it store…
just a very small idea… Siu Lien Tau.–HS
**The fat lady said “Cross me the wrong way and you’ll bring out the devil in me”.
No matter how thin you slice it, it’s still baloney!
Do people realize if it wasn’t for Shaolin monks we’d be doing a la Hendrik White Crane?–RH
Re: The fat lady sings!
Originally posted by Rolling_Hand
[B]–The Sun
This is from White Crane Wing Chun of Fujian. A Signature of Clasicall White Crane “Shape”.
It can be traced…
In the era of 1850, this was one of the symbol of White Crane Wing Chun…HS
**Your postings are more fiction than fact. Getting water from a stone is hard enough, and our wing chun ancestors can’t wash their hands while some lips like you throw the wing chun good name in the mud. Wing Chun is Wing Chun and White Crane is White Crane. And I keep reading between lies of some lips.–RH
–You don’t need the reel silk of TaiJi.
The Snake has it there long ago.
You don’t need the neutrazation force of Yee Chuan.
The Crane’s Sun has it store…
just a very small idea… Siu Lien Tau.–HS
**The fat lady said “Cross me the wrong way and you’ll bring out the devil in me”.
No matter how thin you slice it, it’s still baloney!
Do people realize if it wasn’t for Shaolin monks we’d be doing a la Hendrik White Crane?–RH [/B]
Do your home work.
Show us in the forum specifics in detail
the link between
Where, When, Who, Which…
By waring a monk’s rope, acting superficailly as a monk, visiting some website to discuss about Chan, Qouting some Hung Mun stories, Citing some ShaoLin myth are not going to make story real..
By the way, after these decades, can anyone decide where is the real location for the so-called Southern Shao Lin Yet?
Decide that yet before jumping into Shao Lin Monks…
No use to playing game words game and attack anyone.
paper can’t wrap fire.
STOP rolling. Think with Common Sense.
It is not Hendrik. It is about what is the FACTS.