Diamond. You make a good point, and it is not lost on me. Are you suggesting that it is your contention he refined his knowledge as opposed to augmenting it?
I can accept that, as one of a number of alternatives, or perhaps one component of his growth. At his level, one would expect no less, and this is perhaps the secret ingredient in itself, his own flavour.
In all instances, one could say that Sijo Cheung came away from the temple with new (evolved) knowledge or understanding. Perhaps “the power generation system” as so many like to call it?
What was the method used to teach it?
108 Steps,
OK, 108 steps is gaining momentum, the question still remains, how do you count them? It has always interested me that the senior patterns seem to be the same length…
The little article essentially introduces then proposes JikBo as important foundation in Geng Lik 'power development. then about coordinating both external and internal components as well as TTFC, with Yi (Mind) being the key. A little about Hard & Soft attributes and following the heart(intention). A Jit about comprehending the essence and passing generations. then stating the australian group led by Leung.
lineage chart and a sorry if anyone was left out line.
The Temple : My Luohan grandteacher Shi Gao Ceng passed/resided there for a short while in 1920’s-30’s. No martial practice of the BaiMei nature recorded at that time though he did teach there (mainly buddhism). PS : Buddhist temple ? A gift may not always be martial but it can enhance your martial ability 10-fold without a single movement. who knows?
-What is MOST important is that all arts from the genuine grandmasters (CLC LYG etc.) are wonderful and a treasure to us all. Irrespective of the past source or name. The skill and transmission is genuine that is all.
-To teach it! did he teach it! practice and repetition. Effective only
Well said SM. The “Grandmasters” of our Sijo’s generation are the salient features. Kung Fu following the Man, not the Style.
Also, your comment on buddhism bringing a stronger Mind, and thus wider empowerment (if I may paraphrase) is not too different to what I believe Diamond was eluding to. You’d have to consider it to some extent.
Who was Sijo at this time? A travelling prizefighter with particular habits associated with his livelyhood? Certainly a hard man, certainly a ferocious fighter. Hardly the “internal” type in his early years you could conclude? We know he was badly injured as a child, broken bones. Not from a wealthy family. When did he learn his medicine?
As far as the poems go, how many moves in, “build a bridge then break it with a devil from below, double twisting dragon tails will chase the enemy to death?” <grin>
It really is academic though, it makes you tear it down to the smallest detail, and anything that makes you look at the fundamentals and structure is good effort.
Originally posted by fiercest tiger
[B]LOL no i wasnt around, was you? anyway its hear say im telling what i know you can take it as a grain of salt which you have. No big deal!
So you know of a omei branch can you tell us more?
Whats dim lik mean? something power?
regards
FT [/B]
Simple. I am asking you this.
What qualifies you to judge the CLC? Can you tell me specifically?
Since, you are critical of CLC’s reputation on the forum.
For example, Jet Li comments Bruce Lee as one of the best martial artist in the world. Jet Li himself win the wushu champion six times.
What is your qualification on Pak Mei family? So, Are you blabbing something from your mouth?
If you are 6 times world wushu champion,then i would keep my mouth shut.
hmm. Unfortunately, you are a little sifu in a small dojo. he he.
Nothing makes me qualified and ill say what i like on a forum, i havent dissed CLC bak mei at all, i study YKM that is CLC bak mei so i can say what i please about what i know.
Why you so insecure, this is all talk and we are all learning something (maybe) but you dont like this topic you dont have to post.
Yes im a little sifu in a small kwoon so your point is?
Yum Cha I am suggesting that the frequent referral to time in the temple speaks to refinement on the inside of the person not external movement. In each case the person had plenty & went in & came out much different much improved. Can’t be because they had all that much more time to practice & can’t be new external stuff as you said the time in wasn’t that great. Takes 1 life time to do right & takes 2 life times if first time is wrong. If I am right then the differences in a hand of the same name makes good sense. If I am wrong then why the differences?
What can you say about the Hakka Tong Long you have seen there? Do you see a common root & if yes then can you name it or say it? Does the hand play as you’ve seen in other places or different & if different how so?
hahaahaha.f.t of course he wasn’t there,pre-mentral student.lol he doesn’t show when he challenges either.lol
throught cyber space no we aren’t touching hands between your ears.lol
i can’t wait to see you pms,one day,one day you will be called and that day…lol.would i waist my time on yoy? yes i would and enjoy all 3 seconds of it.lol
No one is judging CLC rather he is admired. People are merely discussing about the origins and development of Bak Mei. CLC being central to that notion.
Dim Lik Kuen (Dien Li Quan) you must be kidding no link to Bak Mei and Emei Quan no such thing it is only a classification of martial arts from Emei.
Anways to shed some finger food on the whole Emei Baimei thingy :
In Emei arts there is a style Babuhuzhang that has as an origin a Bai Mei figure. Also there is Bai Mei Quan itself in Emei which has only one long set and does not resemble the CLC bai mei too much. It consists of complex stepping and a myriad of palming motions.
regarding www.sina.com same deal as here a lot of chinese nutso’s bringing intricate ideas into discussion. It does not mean either is right or wrong.
I have ‘personally’ seen many interpretations of Bai mei and heard explanations of its origins.
YUmCha,
Another quantum light Eddie Chong is incorrect in his history ‘most’ futshan bakmei can only trace to CLC via his early disciple. The style is older (or younger) but not different. If the forms are the same or similar then it is from CLC this is the final on that.
Jet Li is ‘Wushu’ champion yes. My old Shi Xiong trained with Wu Bin also ‘Zhang Li’. However good the fundamentals the emphasis was in no way on combat. Bruce Lee likewise was defeated many times and only in the land of gullible USA could amount to seniority then as HKers needed a hero he became a hit there and then as China will lean on anyone that they can call their own to be famous they did. Even now every dog and his cat are teaching Bruce Lee’s style in China …but no one knows what blabber it is.
When are martial artists going to stop thinking about glory, medals and moviestars…if this is all there is in martial arts then I would have stopped when I was 8 years old.
Lastly, its not the size of your gwoon it is how you use it!
Diamond Talons, good point and it is in a more descriptive level what I inferred. Though this may not be the true fact!
Shaolin Master things such as this can hardly ever be called a true fact & I settle for most reasonable. Just stuff to ponder while resting from practice for me & not a burning bush issue.
Well thanks for your understanding of this topic/thread its all talk thats what forums are about. Some people are insecure for some reasons i dont know. As for Eddie chongs bak mei i have seen some of their forms and are different to CLC bak mei kinda like a wingchun bak mei system as he is a wing chun guy as well i dont know if its mixed or its original as they say.
Hey have you bumped into any unusual styles since you have been in china, not the one you are learning now but anything completely different?
be easy
FT
Sui,
what up Dogg? hehehe hows things going with you?
We will all agree to disagree we may never know what is real and what isnt about bak mei, as long as we are all happy with our Sifu’s and his teachings thats all that matters.
The styles I am studying are rare as my teacher is 78 years old and the ZhangMen of the ZiMen style, he was sent up from the villages down south of the province specifically to teach me the style and the other two. His daughter is the chief teacher of the combat unit of the police force.
Rare arts to many to be told, I have been mainly seeking ZhangMen and their say on things before all is lost. This means on occassions learning some classics of the styles, and odd additional form or too and insights including family manuals if any or transcripts from grandmasters. I can only say my friend is an official and it makes it easier to get such things done. I always verify the content of everything (like cross checking). Tell me what you were specifically looking to know and email me because there are too many things.
