108 moves
Guys,
Has anyone heard that all forms are 108 moves but were shortened during the mid 1900’s ?
any comments?
FT:)
oh come i can’t believe you guys and gals don’t know.i’ve been following and now it comes to a sudden holt or no-one wants to say?it is trivia thought what f.t is asking.
btw hi f.t and yum
intresting sm would you like to meet?i would like much to touch your hands?
sui
sm why retract your good post are you still in hk/china?
I retracted because too much info. I pick and choose when to give out what.
yes, still in china ( iam here for a few years). I will be visiting again Guangzhou, Foshan, zhongshan, zhuhai next year after I finish business in Fujian. You can meet me if you have time (it will be in spring holiday). My students will be in Hongkong for a few days before coming to visit me, they can give you a kick if you’d like. 
touch my hands in the ‘martial way’ or in the ‘sui way’ …I know you like it. 
shaolin master
Ah man, why do that? Please share and help everyone!!
put it back up!
FT
how many studs does it take to overthrow sui?
the answer:how many you got?lol
of course the ma way i’m no monster.but you to much info i would like to see if your correct thats all.especially the sipp bat mor.
we’ll wait till spring holiday then.cheers sui:)
I’ll meet you in the SaiSaoGan you show me yours I’ll show you mine and then we’ll sup bat mo…who mo best must take the other to the anmo place
But if you want to walk on the road one must not fall down.
sorry FT, but you know somethings are best not said until the time is right 
hey sm i’m starting to like you.your alright in my book
SaiSaoGan wheres that,i’m gonna have to get a map,is it in china?
even i’m scared of my mor.you will see them for sure,but don’t blame me for continuous nightmares.so to the place i’m sure you can’t reach there.
sui
LOL
Hi SUI,
Nightmare on sui street! You and shaolin master holding hands is this a bak mei mardi gras?:eek: Yum cha will be there he was in last years float with his head band on…lol
shaolin master,
Ok, can you maybe write alittle of what you posted…please? If i show you mine you must show yours? Haahahaha ok ill be on the float too right next to sui and yummy and cannon dont forget him in my G STRING.
ft:)
Yum Cha is the question really what did he learn at the temple or is it what was it that was refined in the temple?
Re: Omie Bak mei
Originally posted by fiercest tiger
[B]The 9 step and 18 devils bridge are real but was modified alot by Grandmanster CLC.
Bak mei monk was from omei mountain and wasnt hakka. CLC was hakka so when he modified it , it became bak mei hakka.
FT:) [/B]
I think this touches upon the real issue of PM.
But can it be made clear with any certainty that there are other lineages of PM outside of CLC or not?
There is Eddie Chong I think his name is in SF who claims a different lineage. I know nothing of this beyond what is written on the web site.
Then there are various Gunagzhou lineages which aparently speak (in some cases only) of other teachers other then CLC.
FYI there was (is) a Chinese monk in Vietnam (Monk Siu Sim) who was around in the 1980s over 100 years old at the time who did teach to some Chinese and a Vietnamese person or two who was completely unrelated to CLC and did not teach ANY of the forms of CLC from what I understand, at least not in there present form, (but maybe as FT suggests in some other form) but claimed to be from monastery in China where what is called PM was taught. However he did teach a system of power generation plus meditation, and staff form (NOTE: this power generation was not TTFC, etc… )
My sifu as well as one of his students and his niece and nephew met him over a certain period of time before emigrating to Canada. Note that we do not trace our lineage to this person, but from a student of CLC.
I am currently trying to find out more from the Chinese Viet community. On my next trip to Vietnam with my sifu I hope to learn more.
Does ANYONE have ANY INFORMATION regarding other PM teachers outside of CLC’s students?
Regarding 108 movements changed in mid 1900s: perhaps you meant mid 1800s or something else since it is clear from Vietnamese lineage that as far back as 1930 there were NOT 108 movements taught.
EAZ
CLC
Dimond - Learned? Refined? Discovered? Focussed? All aspects, if you will.
It wasn’t a lifetime he spent there, what 2-4 years? Am I horribly mistaken?
As the core techniques of the style are (for the sake of a simplified discussion) a “Greatest Hits” of SiJo Cheung’s traditional southern Kung Fu, what was SiJo Cheung’s great discovery?
One of the measures of a style is the ability for a Master to pass it on - not referring to personality or intelligence, I only mean, is it something a normal person can be trained into, or is his prowess only due to some exceptional ability, strength, size, speed, etc…
FT
- in a G-string?! Why did you have to create that image? <shivvers>
108 Moves - I wish we could entice Mantis108 into commenting on this topic, he had some very interesting numerology discussion.
I can say that I tried to count, but couldn’t figure out what to count. For example, is reach out, bik bu, grab, pull back, bik bu, punch, 6 or 3 or 2 moves or 1? Is a stance advance counted different to a hand technique? Is Mor Que one move, or 3? Its taught as 3, then becomes one. You would have to think that 108 moves would be used as a training tool, thus applied to beginners in a simplified form… It takes you to an interesting viewpoint of the patterns, for sure… I know what I’m doing tomorrow…
Hi Sui,
Any interesting news from the orient?
SPANK MY HAIRY ASS!
Yummy,
YES, Mardi Gras is getting close mate, any ideas on what colours for the bak mei float? I’ll run by sifu andy as well im sure he will get the gay music theme and set it off. Your Brother Mick will love the leather outfit i got him or the fluff number he likes…lol:)
At the end does it really matter what you have if you have a great sifu and the forms and training is benifical? You do your way, i do mine doesnt matter as we all get something out of it right. Southern mantis was supposively 108 form as well as taiji 108 it was made to a shorter form of 54 or 84 what ever…
any comments, where is mantis 108 these days?
FT:)
I was getting to the point that going to the temple is a common set piece in the history of some arts. Mostly Hakka from those I’ve been told. Big difference between refinement and an infusion of new material that replaces what once was. At least in my mind.
If you don’t know where 108 Hakka Tong Long is then you shouldn’t be told.
Is it in Manitoba?
Where is “108 Hakka Tong Long”? I looked on the map, but I couldn’t find it in Canada!
Oh right, I “shouldn’t be told”…
Ao Quin
I used to have a friend that took cooking lessons at 106 Hakka Tong Long, it must be next door.
Diamond, Mantis 108 is a person, whom perhaps you’ll have the opportunity to meet if he picks up this thread.
9-18-36-54-72-108 : Just numbers…
PS : Taiji is still 108 in some styles or some lineages. NamTonglong still is 108 as well, Bak Mei is also still 108 as well…it depends how do you put it together.
Can we have a 108 float in the mardi gras
shaolin master
so there is a 108 bak mei?
108 float for sure with 108 bak meist doing single power…lol
Yummy,
Thats next door to BBQ King not near the chinese theatres…lol
FT
Hey but it is next door to BBQ King, Up the stairs it is where the chinese and korean gangs hang out, including the fruit market gangs, Drgaons 108 and Sun Tong gangs,…so hey I think Yum Cha is on to something it must be the Hakka Fist Crib of 108…
BBQ king had more money and took 108 so the Hakka kids had to lease 106 …