San Shou rules TBA....WTF????

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ILLEGAL knee strikes

I thought knees were legal in san shou now :confused:

If one of the Kuoshu guys wants to fight in the world championships, that’s great, and if he wins it, he can say he truly entered a OPEN event

Yeah, its his first fight, but I know that he will make me proud, whatever happens…we’ve had guys from our school fight in san shou, muay thai, and mma, kickboxing and san da

EDIT:
Just checked the results at Cung Le’s website, to see if I know the guy you were talking about, and I do, I fought him last year at kuoshu, I was wondering where he was this year…

Was he penalized for the illegal knees or what?

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ALL of our events (www.KingofSanDausa.com) have knees/knees are legal

At Cung’s event, primarily because of CA state athletic commission, he didn’t have knees in the tournament. My team PREFERS to HAVE knees, but we support Cung and so we went to the event and fought under the rules.

We fought this Kuoshu guy and he starts throwing knees. So we said to the center referee, make it a knee fight, we are happy to fight WITH knees, we do all the time. Center referee asks the Kuoshu guy if he wants to fight with knees and he says “NO” (?)

So, being rational human beings, we do not throw knees. He continues to throw knees. 2nd round ends and AGAIN we say, if you are going to throw knees, we will ALSO. His coach INSISTS that it be a no knee match as per the rules, and that his guy is just “accidently” throwing knees.

We continue to follow the rules while Mr Kuoshu continues to throw knees, utter BS. It was complicated by really poor center refereeing in this case. There were no warnings or point deductions even though he continued to knee the entire match

He also hit the back of the head (also illegal) MANY times and tried to throw elbows.

Personally, I think it makes him a PUNK. Fight by the rules. And if you are such a bad azz, fight A division.

If he wanted to fight with knees and elbows, I have some guys who’d be happy to do it with him, but they’re A level, and he’d be staring at the ceiling pretty quick. He was a jerk, and probably not representative of “Kuoshu”, except that his coach was carrying on about how a “Kuoshu guy” won in SS :rolleyes:

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He was a jerk, and probably not representative of “Kuoshu”, except that his coach was carrying on about how a “Kuoshu guy” won in SS

knees are a big part of his game, so maybe he really couldn’t help it, but I agree if that were the case he should have been willing to let knees be legal…

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Ok now I wish he was in my class again.

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Well, anyways…to answer my own question. :rolleyes:

I just purchased on-line some Everlast leather boxing head gear, some Title 14 oz boxing gloves, a Title groin protector and some hand wraps.

I already have a Shock doctor v2 mouth guard and some of those cloth combination foot/shin guards.

I think that should cover me well enough.

Here’s another question.

Do you guys wear shorts or pants when you do San Shou?

Any advantage of one over the other?

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shorts… now is it ACTUAL san shou… or light contact sparring named san shou?..

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Duncan will not be going light contact.

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now is it ACTUAL san shou… or light contact sparring named san shou?..

Or is it a tai chi two man set san shou?

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Kind of a side question…

Are 14oz gloves standard?

I heard the Kuosho event had an open hand glove. Does that work well? Anyone have a good balance between punching protection and allowing grabs?

Maybe I need to start another thread.

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Duncan will not be going light contact.
i hope not… cuz i’m bringin da pain:p

Anyone have a good balance between punching protection and allowing grabs?
i have no problem grabbing with boxing gloves… i should say arms and legs… it IS kinda hard to grab a shirt or pants leg with them tho…

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To state the bloody obvious

  1. if you want to throw knees, the other guy should be allowed to also. It’s punk azz to throw them and have your biotch coach scream that the other side can’t throw them because they are “illegal”

  2. if you have Lei Tai experience, and in fact registered yourself originally for A division, it’s pansy and fa gg otted to then suddenly become a “beginner” and fight in that division

  3. If in said beginner division you still can’t seem to land a LEGAL scoring blow, to jump up and down and proclaim yourself “bad azz” is pathetic

Again, if he REALLY wants to fight with knees (and even elbows) he should let us know, we WILL accomodate him

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Yes…

however, that should be the case for this guy in question, not all Kuoshu fighters. It’s sad that he gives Kuoshu a bad name by saying that he represents Kuoshu, but let’s not get into generalizing all Kuoshu fighters due to the example of one bad apple.

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And, to be fair, I will state that my experience with this dude was completely different…he seemed like a great guy…I wasn’t at Born to Fight so I can’t say anything about that…but he was real cool at kuoshu…maybe there is another side to the story

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Maybe it’s a coaching issue?

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San Shou Gear questions

Protective equipment

(1) All tournament competition, including professional tournament competition, shall be conducted with shin and instep protection for the safety of the athletes.

(2) All amateur tournament competition will be conducted with headgear, even competitions which include A+ level athletes.

(3) All national ranking and national team trial selection competition shall be conducted with the IWUF chest protector.

Are the shin & instep gaurds still going to be used in most U.S. San Shou competitions even though IWUF isn’t using them? And what’s the general feeling on IWUF chest protectors. Do you think most competitions will require them since it’s now the international standard?
And lastly, do you favor any particular brand of headgear? I’ve seen a few different kinds for sale…

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Brad you will likely only see chest guards at the A level in Lei Tai events and likely only at team trials. You will also have shin guards in most all amateur events in the US that are tournament style and most that are carded as well.

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Increasingly, US based events are running independent of what the IWUF is doing and thinking…

I don’t see shin guards going anywhere.

We (www.KingofSanDausa.com) are thinking that the chest guards might be good for B level, to pad the new beginners for safety, and for kids…