Rules for continuous sparring in CMA Tournaments

[QUOTE=MightyB;1052805]NACMAF Baltimore Circa 94 - 95[/QUOTE]

Or even a little before that. It was at least a little fun then. Sifu Barry and the other refs used to let us keep going. It certainly wasn’t san shou or serious full contact, but was a good first step into competitive fighting And then uniforms were normally no more than a t-shirt or tank top with school/style affiliation and regular kungfu or karate pants or even sweat pants. NACMAF used to be alot of of fun.

[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1052750]Was wondering this the other day, at many CMA tournaments I have looked up I see continous sparring divisions. Was curious what the rules are for that?

In other words, how is it different than San Shou?

Different contact level, different round lentgh?

I am guessing it is similiar to point sparring only no start stop.

Someone help me out here, what are the rules for this.[/QUOTE]

The ones I have competed is different from san shou in 3 aspects.

  1. No throws/take downs
  2. You can only sweep the front leg, so you can’t trap the kicking leg and sweep the back(planted) leg
  3. Contact is suppose to be light, however, that depends on the ring judge. 2 years ago at TJL, they let the advanced go at it.

Much like in San Shou, they only stop if someone goes out of the ring, or falls. In rare occassion, a guy is just outright getting beat.

I’m not talking about a rule - I’m talking about the intention of the event called continuous sparring. It was meant to showcase the individual styles in action. It was not meant to be San Shou. San Shou is San Shou…

In theory, one should be able to watch continuous sparring and say- hmmm that guy must be an Eagle Claw stylist, and that guy must be Choy Le Fut, and that guy - he’s showing some nice Wing Chun.

It was not supposed to be two monkeys flailing at each other doing a poor imitation of kickboxing. That is what it’s supposed to be - deal with it. That’s why people get DQ’d.

It was not supposed to be two monkeys flailing at each other doing a poor imitation of kickboxing. That is what it’s supposed to be - deal with it. That’s why people get DQ’d.

so are you saying you couldn’t see the CLF being used by my student? Do you really look like a mantis when you fight? really?

because at the part the guy fell to the floor, the combo of Kwa Choy Sow Choy Sow Choy is very common in CLF and very noticeable as CLF.

He backfisted the other guys punch which caused him to turn. then he hit the guy with two sow choys aimed at his head. be it that they were very light strikes here…still…you can see my student is CLF.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1052832]so are you saying you couldn’t see the CLF being used by my student? Do you really look like a mantis when you fight? really?

because at the part the guy fell to the floor, the combo of Kwa Choy Sow Choy Sow Choy is very common in CLF and very noticeable as CLF.

He backfisted the other guys punch which caused him to turn. then he hit the guy with two sow choys aimed at his head. be it that they were very light strikes here…still…you can see my student is CLF.[/QUOTE]

No - I absolutely did not say anything about your student. I’m venting my own sour grapes and issues with continuous sparring. As a matter of fact - I haven’t even attended a kung fu only tournament since 1996. I guess that answers where I stand on the issue. I’m only relating why so many people are DQ’d and why so many students feel they’ve won, yet they lose.

I had a similar issue as your student. I used Fan Che and the judge said it wasn’t a technique. Fan Che is a type of “wind milling” strike. I’ve also lost where I know I hit the opponent many more times than he hit me. When I asked the judge WTF politely of course… he said that although I hit the person more… I didn’t display enough technique. He then said something pretty much word for word that’s in my previous post.

No - I absolutely did not say anything about your student. I’m venting my own sour grapes and issues with continuous sparring. As a matter of fact - I haven’t even attended a kung fu only tournament since 1996. I guess that answers where I stand on the issue. I’m only relating why so many people are DQ’d and why so many students feel they’ve won, yet they lose.

I had a similar issue as your student. I used Fan Che and the judge said it wasn’t a technique. Fan Che is a type of “wind milling” strike. I’ve also lost where I know I hit the opponent many more times than he hit me. When I asked the judge WTF politely of course… he said that although I hit the person more… I didn’t display enough technique. He then said something pretty much word for word that’s in my previous post.
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then i mistook your message. my apologies.

Yeah, we do alot of verticle back fists aimed at your nose. we’d get dq’d for those cause the tournaments only knew of the back fist to the side of the head.

You should enter your guys in amateur Thai boxing fights or smokers… I’m sure you can find them.

For smokers just show up on the day, weigh in and fight on that same day. Fill out some forms, any style can show up and fight.

You should enter your guys in amateur Thai boxing fights or smokers… I’m sure you can find them.

For smokers just show up on the day, weigh in and fight on that same day. Fill out some forms, any style can show up and fight.

Yeah they actually have a few out in SF now…but i didn’t know if they’d allow other styles to participate.

my former student took his CLF to Thailand took a few training courses out there and got into his first fight. he won.

I think I brought this up a while ago… but what are the rules to Sports JuJitsu 'cuz these guys give it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5vlLlIinus

I haven’t seen it around here yet.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1052860]Yeah they actually have a few out in SF now…but i didn’t know if they’d allow other styles to participate.[/QUOTE]

one of our girls fought this chick from SHOTOKAN KARATE.

actually we were eating lunch across the street from the school, and her instructor was there (before the fight) and we had some conversion.

he was old as hell, oldschool type i think did a lot of martial arts.

was in the army etc etc, traveled.

i don’t know how HARD they train though but i don’t think it was enough, cuz this girl got DESTROYED.

dang…the tourneys USED to be like that here :frowning:

imnsho it should be set up thusly:

two variants:

  1. Full contact competition within a specifically cma framework, say, San Da.

  2. Ritual dueling.

:smiley:

I explained the rules two pages ago, you guys are just bored.

kung tournaments need real raditional lei tai. with the pig head sacrifices to guan gong and splashign with spirit water and wearing magical amulets and all that.

No, really, the problem with continuous sparring is that no one, in their right mind, would want to prolong point sparring.

What would I like to do today:

A) Slap turkey poo

B) Dwell in turkey poo continuously

C) Watch a post apocalypse movie from the eighties.

You can buy a lot of 80s post apocalypse movies with one tournament fee.

You can buy a lot of 80s post apocalypse movies with one tournament fee.

My dad had an extra part in the movie apocolypse now :smiley:

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1052908]My dad had an extra part in the movie apocolypse now :D[/QUOTE]

what did he do with it?

what did he do with it?

mistah funny man!!!

[QUOTE=MightyB;1052863]I think I brought this up a while ago… but what are the rules to Sports JuJitsu 'cuz these guys give it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5vlLlIinus

I haven’t seen it around here yet.[/QUOTE]

Funny you should bring this up, we used to have a tournament put on by USSJA here in West Virginia, but I don’t know if they still do or not. One of the guys in the video you posted is Ernie Boggs who teaches here in WV and used to hold that tournament. Here is a link to his site:http://www.ernielightfootboggs.com/BCI.html

I can ask him for you and see where the circuit goes. He is one of my Facebook friends.