Resolving the forms "issue"

[QUOTE=uki;957172]i get plenty of resistance training bouncing my body parts of of objects at the block job: pushing wheelbarrows, banging my head on scaffolding, kicking my shin on a cinder block, stepping on a stone rake which causes it to fly up and smash me in the face if i don’t block it(yes - it doesn’t only happen in tom and jerry), jumping into the hole, jumping out of the hole… resistance training comes in a variety of ways, especially if one puts just a tiny amount of effort into making the best of every movement and aspect of the day. once again, i practice martial arts so that i do not have to fight. :slight_smile:

that’d be an I on 27… :p[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. You can train mechanics and structure and timing and accuracy all day long by yourself, stepping over puddles to insure pushing angles, you name it. But only someone trying to punch you and or take you down can teach you certain lessons. Only being punched and taken down and having to continue can teach you certain lessons … these are lessons one should address frequently if they want to be ready for fighting.

the “Ideal” for me

using Mantis:

Solid Warm ups that incorporate all of the basic motions and techniques, solid workout that taxes my muscles throughout a wide range of motions. Always working on flexibility in the legs and hips and leg strength in low postures.

Sub Sa Lo as a self defense pattern.

for internal and to keep with the martial arts stereotype :slight_smile: Some Zhan Zhong(sp?) standing meditation (basically I advocate standing in martial postures from the system similar to how tai chi-ers will stand in postures like single whip- promotes meditative state and is a form of isometric exercise)

2 person drilling is mandatory and has to be done whenever possible. To me, this is the “meat” of the system is. (I now do a blended version of kung-fu and Judo that I’ve nicknamed" kung-fudo"-- better than “JuFu” :stuck_out_tongue: ) Everything I do is very simple. The simpler the better. I work on the basis of trying to create a high percentage for successful application. Doesn’t mean I throw it out if it’s difficult, just means that it has to be so basic that it can be done spontaneously under stress against a bigger and meaner person with a high chance of success. Preferably I like to work out with someone who’s roughing me up a bit with grabs, clinches, locking, throwing, and wrestling.

As far as forms-- I do have my favorites that I try to practice regularly at home. I do try to go through as many as I can remember once every couple of months. But that’s only to keep 'em there.

Again- as an ideal, after Sub Sa Lo - I really just practice a couple of really pretties like Siu Fu Yin, Tong Long Chit Don, and the first Jot Yu. I do have a fondness for Sup Ah Sou and Chop Choy - So I practice those a lot. I don’t do too many weapons, just Lok hop Darn Dao, Lok hop sern Dao, and Goon Le Guan.

That’s how I do it.

This may have been stated already, but I feel compelled to state it again:D

However you want to say it, philosophize about it, or **** and moan about it, forms are an antiquated training method. Regardless of the fact that they were used to categorize movements, many people still subscribe to the falsehood that forms equal fighting. I do not believe forms are completely useless. There are several older martial artists who are unable to spar hard or even do bag work due to chronic illnesses that can still do forms, and get a decent work out from them. This still does not equate to fighting skill, but most people at that stage do not care about fighting skill anymore, it is more for self preservation through the exercise benefits. That being said, the question needs to be asked by purists to themselves. What is true Kung Fu, practicing an antiquated exercise that does not produce fighting capabilities, or focusing on basics and resistance training which does. I also do not believe that forms are what makes a style what it is. If anything, forms make a style what it is not. Boxing has never used forms and was and still is an effective martial art. The reason is because all the focus in boxing is on resistance training and combat. Nothing else matters and really, nothing else should. I do not do forms anymore because my time is better spent doing training that benefits my fighting skills. In the end that is what matters the most.

Pretty much how I feel Iron…

Anyway- all businesses have a mission statement. It’s basically a way to encapsulate the entirety of the business’s philosophy and reason for existence into one or two brief - descriptive sentences.

Those darn Gracies have a mission statement which basically states that the whole reason for the existence of their martial art can be summarized with the fact that a smaller and weaker person studying GJJ can defeat a larger and stronger opponent.

I’m not saying this as a fanboy or BJJ nutrider or anything- I’m saying this because they stated a purpose and dedicated their whole effort into making that purpose a reality, and for the most part, they did make it happen.

Do we have a mission statement in TCMA?

[QUOTE=MightyB;958119]Do we have a mission statement in TCMA?[/QUOTE]
Crush your enemies.
See them driven before you.
Hear the lamentations of their women.

[QUOTE=MasterKiller;958120]Make your female enemies pole dance for you.
See them drive you like you have never been driven !!
Fear the lactations of women.[/QUOTE]

Dude !!!:eek:

Had a great run last night where I incorporated shadowboxing, pivots, back peddling, kicks, takedowns and shoots. Worked cordio and mechanical combos all while under duress < -------- better than forms. Though not as many seasoning or hardening benefits as fighting. One good fight brings home so many things that work for you as well as areas you have to ramp up. And if you fight, you’ll ramp them up quick fast.

This is why fighters improve: they have to.

This is why so many form guys can’t fight: they don’t have to.

[QUOTE=MasterKiller;958120]Crush your enemies.
See them driven before you.
Hear the lamentations of their women.[/QUOTE]

That is good!!

[QUOTE=MasterKiller;958120]Crush your enemies.
See them driven before you.
Hear the lamentations of their women.[/QUOTE]another classic example of the male chauvinistic attitude that plagues the hordes of simple men.

[QUOTE=uki;958178]another classic example of the male chauvinistic attitude that plagues the hordes of simple men.[/QUOTE]

I do forms.

You will be crushed.

Your woman will lament.

you forgot to see him driven before you

[QUOTE=Lucas;958182]you forgot to see him driven before you[/QUOTE]

God forbid if there is a headwind!

[QUOTE=uki;958178]another classic example of the male chauvinistic attitude that plagues the hordes of simple men.[/QUOTE]

And you are utterly powerless to do anything about it.

Speaking of forms:

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;958199]Speaking of forms:[/QUOTE]

This is why you’ll always be my favorite person here.

my favorite style :wink:

[QUOTE=Drake;958202]This is why you’ll always be my favorite person here.[/QUOTE]

Well, for such kind words one must act accordingly.

[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;958204]Well, for such kind words one must act accordingly.[/QUOTE]

Some like the front… some like the back. :smiley:

[QUOTE=Drake;958197]And you are utterly powerless to do anything about it.[/QUOTE]bringing it to light is having done enough. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=uki;958209]bringing it to light is having done enough. :)[/QUOTE]

Sanjuro and I are having an important discussion. Please return to your backyard self-injury “training”.