Realism WCK power generation for the 21th century

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Originally posted by yellowpikachu
[B]I can certainly understand your view. However, I like to say that there are many many different views in this world which will arrive at same destination more or less.

So, That is the important about communication and not holding one’s view as the truth.

Saying that, sure I am guilty of teasing people and being assertive to. :wink: [/B]

it’s all good bro :wink:

i find the more high skilled people i meet no matter what art or process they study or use the are more alike then different

there seems to be a more universal truth as skill and experience climb

only in the not so skilled do i find them clinging to style and technique and there way is the only way

you know what i mean

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Originally posted by Ernie
[B]it’s all good bro :wink:

i find the more high skilled people i meet no matter what art or process they study or use the are more alike then different

there seems to be a more universal truth as skill and experience climb

only in the not so skilled do i find them clinging to style and technique and there way is the only way

you know what i mean [/B]

You know, the chinese, :smiley: old chinese again :smiley:
has a saying, pushing forward too quick too soon cause Running the Fire and enter to the Demon state.

What this means

is

Fire is the symbolic of vigor. and fire is needed to cultivate or training. However, when the potential of fire is excessive.
That will cary one into the demon states.

State is needed in training because that is the result in today’s word. However, when a state is attached forcefully /forcefully sustain. that is a problem.

A turnel vision is a demon state.
A very high self confident/ righteousness ,cant take no is a demon state.
Thinking there is only one way is a demon state…
Keep training and speed up is a demon state…

The demon state will cost one’s balance in live to support a part of personal desire. and will cost others too, such as family memebers, students… followers… culting..
These people can no longer live a normal life once get that far.

sometimes, one thinks one is clean but one is in it… difficult to find out.

When I heard about some hongkong top martial art idol movie star died in the 1973. I heard about the comments of Running the fire into demon state from some old timer. The signature is , bad temple. cant take no.. restless… DRy up after awhile.

probably there is some truth in the ancient saying. who knows? I just present it here.

The shuranga sutra is great because it tells 50 types of examples of how different extreem of training will lead one to side track or demon state.

own the world but lost one’s soul is that worthed? that is the question. Seem like a great question and view one uses to check oneself often.

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i know that demon state very well :smiley:

but i prefer to call it being passonate about something

others call it obsessive

when a person is flawed or unbalanced , great things can be achieved , from the shear force of will to find balance

when a person has found balance they slow down and lose much desire and things stall as they try to maintain the calm state

one can them be obsessed in trying to hold onto balance

like a dieing man holding onto life

no biggie we all eat $hit and turn to dust in the end :cool:

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You’re quite a philosophical coach, Sifu! =)

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Originally posted by PaulH
You’re quite a philosophical coach, Sifu! =)

call me sifu eh ! well that will be 3 thigh kicks when i see you next =)

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I now have a valid excuse not to come this Sat. Have fun in the rain with the guys, bro.=)

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Originally posted by PaulH
I now have a valid excuse not to come this Sat. Have fun in the rain with the guys, bro.=)

hahahaha no worries got to give to the guys rain or shine they will train , i’ll be the guy out there yelling from under the umbrella !

hey i should film it !

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Power Gemeration for the 21st Century

If you are talking strictly about power generation, the best bet is to look towards those people that consistenly produce the highest power outputs in the world- Olympic lifters, shot putters, hammer throwers, discuss throwers. Their power generation is unsurpassed.

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Their power generation in unsurpassed.

And also, importantly, measurable by non-subjective means.

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Originally posted by anerlich
And also, importantly, measurable by non-subjective means.

it certainly has to go this path.

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Originally posted by Ernie
[B]i know that demon state very well :smiley:

but i prefer to call it being passonate about something

others call it obsessive

when a person is flawed or unbalanced , great things can be achieved , from the shear force of will to find balance

when a person has found balance they slow down and lose much desire and things stall as they try to maintain the calm state

one can them be obsessed in trying to hold onto balance

like a dieing man holding onto life

no biggie we all eat $hit and turn to dust in the end :cool: [/B]

You forgot what you post today on the other discussion.

i have never had the desire to be top dog
it would be a very lonely place

you want to be the top dog. hahahaha :smiley:

There is me, thus there is concern about me. thus there is attachment to mine. thus there is attachment to gain. thus, there is attachment to win. thus there is unsatisfaction, thur there is pressure. thus there is no end of suffering. ---- sutra of samsara

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One possible small measure or test:

Go up to your dummy/jong and stand in front of it in YJKYM. Place both palms flat on the trunk. Now strike the dummy without moving your feet or lifting your hands from the surface. This is not a “one inch strike”, this is a “zero inch strike.” Can you “rock” the dummy? This is the type of power generation that WCK needs and was originally designed for…short, sharp, in close, from WCK structure. Not the type of power that a shot-putter or power-lifter generates.

Keith

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Originally posted by KPM
[B]One possible small measure or test:

Go up to your dummy/jong and stand in front of it in YJKYM. Place both palms flat on the trunk. Now strike the dummy without moving your feet or lifting your hands from the surface. This is not a “one inch strike”, this is a “zero inch strike.” Can you “rock” the dummy? This is the type of power generation that WCK needs and was originally designed for…short, sharp, in close, from WCK structure. Not the type of power that a shot-putter or power-lifter generates.

Keith [/B]

Keith,

this is great!

Achtung!:

dont try this if any part of your body/ inside or outside tensing more then the other part. because the part which is “more” tense might take the force you generate and damage that part. IMHHO.

This applied for internal organs, the reason why some people develop heart problem training this type of stuffs is because the heart organ take the shock. that stop breathing to generate power can be a cause big damage “killer”. Thus, if your heart pulse is out of tune… please see a doctor or good TCM doctor. not worthed to train things to damage one’s health.

just a IMHHHHHO, not a medical advise, and please check with your doctor before do such kind of training.

Thus, I have heard, keng geng can be explain and it doesnt has to be causing anyone injuries or damaging one’s health. it is a physic phenomenon, nothing Mysterious. but the Keng Geng itself needs a compassionate heart to own. otherwise, the power will ensalve one via the ego manisfesting in the passionate to test the power.
Thus, Thus, I have heard, the ancestors purposely makes it extinct . …

Just some – Thus, I have heard stories. dont take me serious. :smiley:

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Hendrick writes:

>you want to be the top dog. hahahaha

Ya know Hendrick, Ernie is one of the mellowist, least competetive, least ego-driven people I know. My take is that he works hard and gets good because he enjoys the process, not because he has anything to prove. Having seen how he deals with juniors and newbies, he displays no tendancy to exercise his ego.

You, on the other hand, play wanking word games and type thousands of words a day to complete stranges, then refuse to physically demonstrate or coherently explain any of what you post. I wonder why you do that?

>There is me, thus there is concern about me. thus there is attachment to mine. thus there is attachment to gain. thus, there is attachment to win. thus there is unsatisfaction, thur there is pressure. thus there is no end of suffering. ---- sutra of samsara

Have you ever read Nietzsche’s comments on Buddhism? Desire defines your humanity. Reject desire and you reject your nature.

Andrew

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Originally posted by AndrewS
[B]Hendrick writes:

>you want to be the top dog. hahahaha

Ya know Hendrick, Ernie is one of the mellowist, least competetive, least ego-driven people I know. My take is that he works hard and gets good because he enjoys the process, not because he has anything to prove. Having seen how he deals with juniors and newbies, he displays no tendancy to exercise his ego.

You, on the other hand, play wanking word games and type thousands of words a day to complete stranges, then refuse to physically demonstrate or coherently explain any of what you post. I wonder why you do that?

>There is me, thus there is concern about me. thus there is attachment to mine. thus there is attachment to gain. thus, there is attachment to win. thus there is unsatisfaction, thur there is pressure. thus there is no end of suffering. ---- sutra of samsara

Have you ever read Nietzsche’s comments on Buddhism? Desire defines your humanity. Reject desire and you reject your nature.

Andrew [/B]

Andrew,

Your comments is very respecablely taken and appreciate for your sharing. It might reflex the truth or it might not.
But, you dont know me. I have never recalled me meet. how can you jump into conclusion? while Ernie and me are having fun time teasing each others? (look at the smilies after the hahahaha on my original post.)

You, on the other hand, play wanking word games and type thousands of words a day to complete stranges, then refuse to physically demonstrate or coherently explain any of what you post. I wonder why you do that? —A

seem to be a very strong comment based on one’s view of one’s identity is right. correct? and the above also telling about a view which is rooted in “having something to Prove” which is very different from others view of there is nothing needs to be prove.

In addition, you can ignore my post if you dont like. since this is a public forum, right? BTW, I present lots of physical evidents on what I am discussing here.

How strange is you writting to me a complete strangest commenting on me who you dont know? :smiley:

As for the reading Book on Buddhism, everything can be inteperated in the way one wants.

IMHHO, you can defend your friend but that is not neccessary to attack me right?

That desire of attack itself is not about humanity but feeding the ego to think one is right and have the right to attack.

saying this,
we all think we are fair and correct and taking side of our friend, But we never see our sun glasses color. Thus, we all have lots to learn right? That is the reality right? we just human.

I understood your love for Ernie and respect that. I think Ernie is a loveable guy too.

Just some thoughts.

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Originally posted by KPM
[B]One possible small measure or test:

Go up to your dummy/jong and stand in front of it in YJKYM. Place both palms flat on the trunk. Now strike the dummy without moving your feet or lifting your hands from the surface. This is not a “one inch strike”, this is a “zero inch strike.” Can you “rock” the dummy? This is the type of power generation that WCK needs and was originally designed for…short, sharp, in close, from WCK structure. Not the type of power that a shot-putter or power-lifter generates. [/B]
Here’s a better test that. One that I’ll do with anyone who claims to have this kind of power and who thinks that this power is equal to the type of power generated by a shotputter.

I’ll let them put thier fist on my stomach and generate as much of this type power into me as they can. Next, like a shot putter, I use a rotational movement with my body to strike with my fist as hard as I can into that person’s stomach. We continue until one of us can’t continue. I’m betting I can continue much longer with the shotputter’s type of power than the other person can with his “zero inch” power.

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Big Drew-Ya know Hendrick, Ernie is one of the mellowist, least competetive, least ego-driven people I know.

*** good look’n family:)
you pretty much described yourself :smiley:

hen=I understood your love for Ernie and respect that. I think Ernie is a loveable guy too.

===== group hug :stuck_out_tongue:

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everything can be inteperated in the way one wants.

I can’t remember who wrote it, but this has always stuck with me since the day I read it;

Reality is that which remains even after you have stopped believing in it.

-Lawrence

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I present lots of physical evidents on what I am discussing here.

LOL! You’ve presented a lot of unsubstantiated stream-of-consciousness rubbish.

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Originally posted by lawrenceofidaho
[B]I can’t remember who wrote it, but this has always stuck with me since the day I read it;

Reality is that which remains even after you have stopped believing in it.

-Lawrence [/B]

You are correct too!