i find it annoying, how people attack japanese for not liking foreigners.
This occurs for every race. I’ll give you an example.
Indians call whites firenghees (what we used to call the british, it basically means white scum)
Gujus (state) , call all whites, “dhorias” and blacks “kalus” (usually as an insult towards their colour)
English likewise call indians “pakis”, blacks “******s” etc..
Racism, only affects one person if you allow it to affect you. If you called me a paki id probably just laugh with you. I have reached that stage where mental abuse of that kind (or any kind) really doesnt bother me. I really dont care if people “swear” at me, as i have realised that swearing only becomes swearing if you want it. Thus in that same case, if you are being rude or racist to me i know that its aimed at me to hurt me, thus if i dont let it hurt me then voila we both become happy.
Most of you are lets say more adept and open minded then other people i have met, thus dont let racism ever become an issue in your lives. Next time someone calls you a *****, jap or paki etc.. just laugh, smile etc.. its their loss they dont realise the potential and beauty of your wonderful cultures.
I’ve never encountered racism on the behalf of asian people in my experience. Japanese, Chinese, Philipino etc. I give respect, I get respect. Even older asian people. Sometimes it seems if I go to a store or a resteraunt, a few might SEEM to be rude. But I think it has to do more with a language barrier, and cultral differences. But I wouldn’t count that as being racist. Racism is in many places. I’ve been hated on by both white folx, and black folx, just as I’m sure people of both groups have felt racism by hispanics too.(I’m hispanic) Does that mean I feel that all are this way? Course not.
I appreciate that some people may want to talk about real life Racism here, and I was afraid it might happen, but that is not why I started the thread. Please look at the question again if you would.
Don’t start me on Racism ( English Bar Stewards ).
I appreciate that some people may want to talk about real life Racism here, and I was afraid it might happen, but that is not why I started the thread. Please look at the question again if you would.
Don’t start me on Racism ( English Bar Stewards ).
AndyM [/B]
I’m not sure I understand what question you’re asking. Do you want to know why many Japanese stylists seem to believe that their arts are superior, or are you questioning the idea of style-bias in general?
I think the second question was rather well answered by Sifu Abel, while the first seems to be a matter of perspective. I think you’ll find both problems in the CMA community as well, just expressed differently.
But if you’re asking an entirely different question from either two examples, I appologize.
I was brought up so as; someone asks me what I think of Blah Style…I say “yeah, good style”!
Over the years I just keep coming up against M Artists who seem to be being told to say; what do you think of Blah style…and they say " utter crap, Xway ot Noway".
In one case I am thinking of a particular Japanese style, nay club which regularly produces world class Kumite players, although there are no Japanese people in the club.
I appreciate you guys are saying “hey, thats life”, but surely negative propoganda like this only adds to the confusion the public have over the arts in general.
I was asking why I got it more from the Japanese stylists than anybody else, but maybe this is purely locational, or a product of my own bias…
Okay, I see what you’re saying now. Forgive me, I’m as thick as brick wall sometimes:D
Anyhow:
"I was asking why I got it more from the Japanese stylists than anybody else, but maybe this is purely locational, or a product of my own bias… "
I think this is, and take this with a grain of salt, a difference between the Japanese and Chinese martial art communities. While the Japanese seem to me to be more united in their opposition to other arts, there’s definitely a lot more infighting amongst the CMA types. While karate clubs slag off on other styles, we bicker over lineage, north v. south, internal v. external… It’s only after we CMAs are done fighting with themselves that we attack other styles.
IMHO (and VERY humble opinon at that) I think that the difference really stems from the way that Japanese arts are very documented and regimented as opposed to a lot of kung-fu styles are more or less taught outside of organizations, with a few exceptions. Am I making sense?
It’s just the nature of the beast, nothing really bad one way or the other.
I have met many JMA (done some as well) and haven’t found that.
Most JMA will react when they are told that they are doing a watered down version of CMA or similar.
I think it is more personal than specific.
Look at E-Budo and even to a certain degree here on KFO and other Boards, where we have CMA, KMA & JMA Guys posting together. I still consider BJJ as a JMA.
Also over here in Japan most people seem to be very open to CMA and we don’t get hassled by the JMA guys either, more of a situation of mutual respect.
Many places in Japan have CMA & JMA sharing the same space. Mine is one.
Said that I have found that even doing public training in the park is very different from my experiences in the West.
I often get approached and asked what style I do and sometimes People ask me to show them a thing or two in a friendly manner and than they show me one or two moves of their own.
Some even ask if I don’t mind them training along for a bit.
Greatest memory was of a 2 mainland chinese coming up and asking why “I” as a Guy was practicing Fan Forms as they are traditionally only taught to women.
The Wife than asked to borrow my Fan and showed/demoed the Form that she had learned.
None fo this ego thing, like “Think you can take me”, “Wanna, spar.” & “Think you are a tough Guy”, etc.
Somehow the Scene over here is more relaxed, often with a few styles practicing right next to each other and the occassional nod of approval.
Just some experiences from a Guy that does CMA in Japan.
I go and train Chi Kung in the park down the road from my office at lunch if its a nice day. I hide in a corner away from all the townie kids cause otherwise I’d get no end of questions, probably shortly followed by abuse. And odd looks from dog walkers. And like you say the “do you think you can take me / wanna fight?” mentality.
England doesn’t exactly have a proud tradition of respect for outside influences and practices.
hehe. Know what u mean Scotty! I train outside whenever i can. it’s not the dog walkers that bother me, it’s the dogs! :eek: They don’t come beyond a kinda circle around me, but just stand there barking away when i do qigong! The owners must think i’m nuts or something
I don’t think most types of qigong would really cause the ‘do u think ur hard?’ attitude in others, but something like gong fu or karatre etc. certainly does (ime anyway).
Hey, what’s with the text under ur nickname? is everything ok?
When I was in Japan I did the usually Karate, Judo, Kendo, Jujutsu thing like many othe kids but I also picked up Hakkyokuken and Hikesho (Bajiquan and Piqua chuan respectively) there as well I got more instresting remarks when pple saw me brandish a Chinese broadsword then my bokuto. As far as actual 'RACE" goes “Ore was kokujin da!” and I have had my share of racial incidents. (There was a time I heard a little girl whisper about our ‘tails’ to a friend. I responded in japanese the we keep ours in the same place you do. She found it funny too.)
i think if people are unsure about something, or if it is something out of place (ie. someone practising MA in a park), then it will probably get a response, even if it is not overtly shown.
It’s the same as the response i get when i go in to a chinese restaurant and order dim sum in my (limited) cantonese. usually one of surprise!
It was a reference to my old signature, Passed the 500 (posts), I was gonna change it to Coming up to 6, then I thought I’d just change it to Getting Sadder by The Post to signify my growing dependence on KFO.
Yeah, Qigong takes a bit of explaining to those who think all MA is Karate. I am actually going to post a thread for you about your Quigong in the Qigong forum. Check it out, my PM is unobtainable from work.
no worries mate Just wanted to make sure if it was sad as in or sad the other way… i just realised the same as you - i’m well over 400 now and most of it has been utter cr@p!
i’ll look at the thread, cheers.
david
us UK guys have to stick together (though few in number we make up by sheer Brilliance )
exactly. everyone wants to think that what they’re doing is the best…
or sad the other way… i just realised the same as you - i’m well over 400 now and most of it has been utter cr@p! 
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