I know the difference between boxing full-contact and wearing a Hockey Helmet with standard MMA gloves (which, yes, do not compact 1/3 as well as foam dipped gear).
Tell me why he ought to wear a face-masked helmet. Educate me. If he’s afraid of “accidental eye-gouging” (I don’t see how that would happen…sure, you can get poked in the eye, but gouged?)…or contact to the jaw, well, fighting should not be on the menu.
Clearly this was ****ty advice:
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820111]Here’s the best head guard you can get, and it’s free:
Head movement & Keep your hands up.
If you want to pay me, you can PM me with your bank account for the money order, Western Union, of course. Oh, I live in Nigeria, so you’ll know it’s me.
Seriously, just keep your hands up, but don’t keep 'em tucked in close. The main problem most people have is they keep their hands in too close when they get tense and tired, and they get hit a lot (you won’t see it coming at that distance). You have to intercept/deflect/evade the punch far before it gets 1/2 a foot in front of you, or you’re going to get hit. Just practice bobbing and weaving, and get your head movement to loosen up and your shoulders to loosen up, then your torso. (Capoeira was great for the bobbing/weaving)…You’ll find that you can evade more punches by slap blocking and moving than by blocking like most kung-fu/karate/whatever else blocks. (Although, slap blocks/moving are ingrained in all my CMA stuff, though some people don’t see 'em for whatever reason)…:rolleyes:
Try tying a strap to a 10# weight for starters. Then bite down on the strip, and lift your chin up and down like you’re nodding “yes” to a question. It’ll develop your neck strength and strengthen your “chin”.
The main thing is “preventative maintenance”. Maybe I’m old school (but I’m too young to be old school), but a helmet will only teach you that it doesn’t hurt as much when you get hit if you’re wearing a helmet. It’s better to do the hard work and build up as much of a resistance as possible. Harden your body, harden your muscles, learn to move.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820120]Tell me why he ought to wear a face-masked helmet. Educate me.[/QUOTE]
I just told you why he SHOULDN’T. Because it limits vision. A lot of people won’t even wear boxing headgear with cheek pads because they don’t like the way it limits vision.
You are basically calling him a pu$$y, which to me indicates you have never sparred hard enough to understand the value of headgear in the first place.
Semi-Contact to the nose is just that…pulling power so you don’t break your training partners. ANYTIME you are doing hard shots to the head IN TRAINING, you should be wearing 16-oz gloves and headgear. Training is not fighting. It’s about working techniques. If your nose gets busted everytime you step up, you are never going to have the confidence to do anything except cover up.
Getting sh1t broken in training isn’t tough, it’s stupid. If you are broken, you cannot train. And if you can’t train, your partners have no one to work with. It’s a lose-lose all the way around.
Of course, everyone thinks they spar hard. But we all know that isn’t necessarily the case.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820123]I just told you why he SHOULDN’T. Because it limits vision. A lot of people won’t even wear boxing headgear with cheek pads because they don’t like the way it limits vision.
You are basically calling him a pu$$y, which to me indicates you have never sparred hard enough to understand the value of headgear in the first place.
Semi-Contact to the nose is just that…pulling power so you don’t break your training partners. ANYTIME you are doing hard shots to the head IN TRAINING, you should be wearing 16-oz gloves and headgear. Training is not fighting. It’s about working techniques. If your nose gets busted everytime you step up, you are never going to have the confidence to do anything except cover up.
Getting sh1t broken in training isn’t tough, it’s stupid. If you are broken, you cannot train. And if you can’t train, your partners have no one to work with. It’s a lose-lose all the way around.
Of course, everyone thinks they spar hard. But we all know that isn’t necessarily the case.[/QUOTE]
Of course. By your definition, I only do semi-contact. But it’s more important to get hit, and feel it, than to wear a helmet in semi-contact and not feel it and feel protected. The more important thing is to work the head movement and dodging/pivoting speed so you don’t get hit. Absorbing punch after punch to a headguarded head only turns you into a human punching bag.
Ain’t callin’ anybody a pu$$y. I just don’t see why he wants to go that route for a sparring contact level that’s not going to lead to broken jaws and noses like it’s WWIII.
Recently at the boxing gym where I cross train there are some guys getting ready for a fight on Nov. 30. I have been sparring hard twice a week with these guys helping them get ready. This is the headgear I use: http://www.ringside.com/detail.aspx?ID=25827
and the gloves:
http://www.ringside.com/DETAIL.ASPX?ID=25232
If you are doing hard sparring, this gear or similiar is what you should be using. If your not, your either stupid or not sparring at full contact capacity, period. Even with that gear I still have lumps, bruises, and a sore f***ing jaw, but guess what, that’s training. I would venture to say anyone saying not to use proper head gear and training gloves has never sparred a full contact round in their lives.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;820128]
If you are doing hard sparring, this gear or similiar is what you should be using. If your not, your either stupid or not sparring at full contact capacity, period. Even with that gear I still have lumps, bruises, and a sore f***ing jaw, but guess what, that’s training. I would venture to say anyone saying not to use proper head gear and training gloves has never sparred a full contact round in their lives.[/QUOTE]
LOL…we’re not talking full-contact, mr. tough guy. BTW, now I’m afraid of you rollseyes…LOL…
I agree, full-contact, wear a helmet. Semi-contact focusing on a learning curve, leave the headgear for someone who’s doing full-contact (which I don’t do much of anyways, as I don’t pretend to be a professional fighter). Boxed this NHB fighter’s 1 1/2 year beginning student (I’m at about 2 1/4 years of SD) wearing MMA gloves at semi-contact levels. Did fine. Took shots. Dealt out many more. Not much damage on either side. I had a sore cheek and a sore jaw, but nothing visible. He didn’t see any reason to wear headgear for that, neither did I–I’d done as much at SD with softer gloves, though (although at semi-contact, it’s not that big of a deal [and sometimes we go bareknuckle at SD …LOL…-- and dude would know, I figure, as he fought professionally.
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820129]LOL…we’re not talking full-contact, mr. tough guy. BTW, now I’m afraid of you…LOL…
I agree, full-contact, wear a helmet. Semi-contact focusing on a learning curve, leave the headgear for someone who’s doing full-contact (which I don’t do much of anyways).[/QUOTE]
That’s because you spend more time pretending to be an overgrown ewok and less time training.
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820127]Of course. By your definition, I only do semi-contact. [/quote] I thought there was no such thing…?
The more important thing is to work the head movement and dodging/pivoting speed so you don’t get hit.
I would argue it’s more important to learn to shield so you can counter. But to each his own.
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;820130]That’s because you spend more time pretending to be an overgrown ewok and less time training.:D[/QUOTE]
LOL, when you work two jobs 7 days a week to feed and clothe yourself, and go to grad school b/c you want to get your doctorate, and you’re a published writer, and a painter…LOL…you don’t have to pretend to be anything, beeyatch.
Yup, I’m an Ewok. But the Ewoks beat the ****ing storm troopers with sticks and stones, and commandeered an Imperial AT-ST, taking down the shield generators on Endor so the REbel Alliance could attack the renovated Death Star. Oh, and they weren’t wearing helmets, unlike those pu$$ified Storm Trooper b1tches.
SLAP
Did you feel that one through your headgear. No? Okay, here’s another one.
SLAP
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820131]I thought there was no such thing…?
I would argue it’s more important to learn to shield so you can counter. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]
Either you make contact, or you don’t. There’s no way to guarantee the level of contact. Any punch intended to be “semi-contact” can be “full-contact” if someone moves badly, or doesn’t defend themselves. Plus, it’s my experience that all semi-contact bouts turn into full-contact in about 30 seconds. As soon as someone catches a hard shot…it’s on. Everything speeds up, and it’s full-contact. I prefer to keep it on the semi-contact level, as I’m still relatively new to the game. But semi-contact is full-contact, it’s just the pace and contact taken at hte beginning.
My philosophy towards fighting is my capoeira teacher’s philosophy. I’m going to kick and punch fast and hard, it’s your job to move fast, or block hard. If you don’t, you did something wrong.
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820132]LOL, when you work two jobs 7 days a week to feed and clothe yourself, and go to grad school b/c you want to get your doctorate, and you’re a published writer, and a painter…LOL…you don’t have to pretend to be anything, beeyatch.;)[/quote] What have you published?
Yup, I’m an Ewok. But the Ewoks beat the ****ing storm troopers with sticks and stones, and commandeered an Imperial AT-ST, taking down the shield generators on Endor so the REbel Alliance could attack the renovated Death Star. Oh, and they weren’t wearing helmets, unlike those pu$$ified Storm Trooper b1tches.
SLAP
Everyone knows StormTrooper armor is designed to deflect energy weapons (lasers) and doesn’t work against concussion weapons (like rocks). So in effect, the ewoks won by KO’ing the Imperial troops, which just proves my point.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820131]I thought there was no such thing…?
I would argue it’s more important to learn to shield so you can counter. But to each his own.[/QUOTE]
Watch a truly good fighter, watch his feet. He moves before he shields and counters. Lessens the shock absorption, sets up an angle. You just have to see the punch coming before it’s half-way to you. To me, standing still and shielding, unless you catch the leg, etc. is not much better than taking a shot. sometimes it’s necessary, but it shouldn’t be the ideal.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820134]What have you published?[/QUOTE]
An online manuscript on why you shouldn’t wear headgear on a semi-contact level. I also published a treatise on the glorious presidency of Sadaam Hussein, who oppressed millions and slaughtered many with his bare hands, and never once wore more headgear than a military cap.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820134]Everyone knows StormTrooper armor is designed to deflect energy weapons (lasers) and doesn’t work against concussion weapons (like rocks). So in effect, the ewoks won by KO’ing the Imperial troops, which just proves my point.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. Darth Vader’s black-lacquered storm trooper gear ™ did nothing against the Emperor’s lightning. Their armor is for contact only. Notice how easily the Jedi light sabers cut through storm trooper gear. I think you’ve got it waaaay backwards, dude.
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820137]An online manuscript on why you shouldn’t wear headgear on a semi-contact level. I also published a treatise on the glorious presidency of Sadaam Hussein, who oppressed millions and slaughtered many with his bare hands, and never once wore more headgear than a military cap.[/QUOTE] Or, you could just answer the question…
Notice how easily the Jedi light sabers cut through storm trooper gear. I think you’ve got it waaaay backwards, dude.
Lightsabers cut everything except other lightsabers (and Cortosis). The armor also cannot take a direct hit from an energy weapon. It only serves to deflect non-direct energy attacks.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820138]Or, you could just answer the question…[/QUOTE]
LOL…let’s just say a book I wrote in late high school/early undergrad years, under a penname, that after 4 years I’m a bit embarrassed of, b/c it reflects some opinions I don’t hold anymore, and I’m a much better writer, now that I’m no longer a “rookie” and have refined the craft.
We’ll leave it at that, b/c you wouldn’t read it anyways…LOL…it’s still available at all online booksellers. If you find it, congrats. But you wouldn’t, I’m sure. And I’d be glad if nobody ever did, even though I do enjoy those quarterly royalty checks…LOL…
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820140]LOL…let’s just say a book I wrote in late high school/early undergrad years, under a penname, that after 4 years I’m a bit embarrassed of, b/c it reflects some opinions I don’t hold anymore, and I’m a much better writer, now that I’m no longer a “rookie” and have refined the craft.
We’ll leave it at that, b/c you wouldn’t read it anyways…LOL…it’s still available at all online booksellers. If you find it, congrats. But you wouldn’t, I’m sure. And I’d be glad if nobody ever did, even though I do enjoy those quarterly royalty checks…LOL…[/QUOTE]
Yeah…whatever.:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820139]Lightsabers cut everything except other lightsabers (and Cortosis). The armor also cannot take a direct hit from an energy weapon. It only serves to deflect non-direct energy attacks.[/QUOTE]
Light is light is light. It only varies in wavelength. A laser is concentrated energy in which a beam acts as if it were a continuous particle. Light moves at the speed of light. If you’re moving a light saber with the motion of the arm, as I’m sure you know, you can’t add up velocities. Light moves at a constant speed, so all contact is direct contact, whether shot or directed via light saber.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;820141]Yeah…whatever.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
[QUOTE=Shaolin Wookie;820142]Light is light is light. It only varies in wavelength. A laser is concentrated energy in which a beam acts as if it were a continuous particle. Light moves at the speed of light. If you’re moving a light saber with the motion of the arm, as I’m sure you know, you can’t add up velocities. Light moves at a constant speed, so all contact is direct contact, whether shot or directed via light saber.[/QUOTE]
A light saber blade is a beam of positively-charged plasma that arcs circumferentially back to a negative charge. It’s not a laser.