Spencer, there is no doubting your passion for Wing Chun. But you do come across funny sometimes … dude. 
i’ve heard lots of names and lots of it looks like an action we have etc but still haven’t seen an explanation of what is being demo’ed. What are the proposed applications of the various techniques on display? Its also interesting that no one has made any observations beyond the hands and arms.
I’m determined not to be critical as it is different to what I have been taught, but it would be good if someone in the know could provide some insight into what is supposed to be going on.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1166635]i’ve heard lots of names and lots of it looks like an action we have etc but still haven’t seen an explanation of what is being demo’ed. What are the proposed applications of the various techniques on display? Its also interesting that no one has made any observations beyond the hands and arms.
I’m determined not to be critical as it is different to what I have been taught, but it would be good if someone in the know could provide some insight into what is supposed to be going on.[/QUOTE]
Kevin had his take on it and cudos to him.
Im sure Jim could give you more specific applications if and when he wanted to.
And Spencer will waffle on about seeing stuff only people “in the know” would recognise, somehow tie it in with Lee Shing (is there anything that man couldnt do!), reiterate how Ip Man was a fighter and a scholar… and he STILL wont give you an answer
Anyway, rant for the day over 
Beautiful action, excellent coverage. Don’t really care what it is called. If it works, it’s good.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1166445]Hammerfists and uppercuts in WC? that’s just crazy !
:D[/QUOTE]
Those low strikes are in another WC lineage.
Just an observation:
The hexagonal/triangular diagram I posted a few weeks back?
Is anyone else seeing it?
[QUOTE=CFT;1166585]Spencer, there is no doubting your passion for Wing Chun. But you do come across funny sometimes … dude. :D[/QUOTE]
Funny ha ha funy? Or funny clown funny??! Am I here for all your amusement?
In case you missed it that too was supposed to be funny…
[QUOTE=GlennR;1166644]Kevin had his take on it and cudos to him.
Im sure Jim could give you more specific applications if and when he wanted to.
And Spencer will waffle on about seeing stuff only people “in the know” would recognise, somehow tie it in with Lee Shing (is there anything that man couldnt do!), reiterate how Ip Man was a fighter and a scholar… and he STILL wont give you an answer
Anyway, rant for the day over ;)[/QUOTE]
Interesting rant that really exposes your lack of understanding me yet again.
There was nothing special about my Sigung, or at least that’s what HE thought! He was a chef! His love for Wing Chun was simply what drew people to him and it was his own students that first called him a Master, nobody else. Yes, he learnt from more Sifus than anyone else I have ever heard of. Yes, I do believe the intelligence of Ip Man had the most adverse effect on the Wing Chun we all know today and I will ALWAYS give an answer if I can (as you shoud know already) AND I have shared clips too that are picked to pieces by people with a slight allergy to anything more traditional, like using operatic flare during performances! As this thread clearly shows, some of us do not believe in sharing exactly what it is we do online through Youtube. Get over it.
We all have our strengths and weaknesses, as does the Wing Chun system.
Even here, Jim has shared something you have never learnt and you still can’t give credit to others that have experienced at least a taste of what he is talking about.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1166646]Beautiful action, excellent coverage. Don’t really care what it is called. If it works, it’s good.[/QUOTE]
Don’t care? Seriously?
I would have thought that you at least would understand the importance of the kuit that comes with specific sets like the 12 hands, especially consdering you actively promote yourself as a Kulo 22 Sifu???
Did you not learn the language with your actions? And more importantly, what effect would it have on your own teaching ability if you didn’t?? Srange comment to say the least…
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1166659]Don’t care? Seriously?
I would have thought that you at least would understand the importance of the kuit that comes with specific sets like the 12 hands, especially consdering you actively promote yourself as a Kulo 22 Sifu???
Did you not learn the language with your actions? And more importantly, what effect would it have on your own teaching ability if you didn’t?? Srange comment to say the least…[/QUOTE]
Spencer, the more I look at it, the more I train, the simpler it is becoming. 12, 22, 40 or whatever, it boils down to more or less 2 types of power generating methods, 3 hand movements and 2 kicks; all the various moves are just extensions of these fundamentals.
The methods (Kuits) are important, names to me are not.
Ah, sorry, 3 kicks
Interesting rant that really exposes your lack of understanding me yet again.
Well where was i wrong? You havent explained the technique… just alluded to it as if you are in the know
There was nothing special about my Sigung, or at least that’s what HE thought! He was a chef! His love for Wing Chun was simply what drew people to him and it was his own students that first called him a Master, nobody else. Yes, he learnt from more Sifus than anyone else I have ever heard of.
There you go again
Yes, I do believe the intelligence of Ip Man had the most adverse effect on the Wing Chun we all know today
There you go again… again!
and I will ALWAYS give an answer if I can (as you shoud know already)
Im yet to see your two bobs worth in regards to whats being shown here
AND I have shared clips too that are picked to pieces by people with a slight allergy to anything more traditional, like using operatic flare during performances!
Wasnt me
As this thread clearly shows, some of us do not believe in sharing exactly what it is we do online through Youtube. Get over it.
Even here, Jim has shared something you have never learnt and you still can’t give credit to others that have experienced at least a taste of what he is talking about.
Its mainland style isnt it, i think youll find ive done one more than you (you having done zip)
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1166662]Spencer, the more I look at it, the more I train, the simpler it is becoming. 12, 22, 40 or whatever, it boils down to more or less 2 types of power generating methods, 3 hand movements and 2 kicks; all the various moves are just extensions of these fundamentals.
The methods (Kuits) are important, names to me are not. ;)[/QUOTE]
Nicely put John
I think the word “coverage” you used earlier was very apt
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1166663]Ah, sorry, 3 kicks :D[/QUOTE]
You’re dropping gems and you keep your ego out of it. Thanks for your continued contributions.
Cheers,
CTK
I am curious about the vertical axis line ideas…the line seems to shift side to side off the heel pivot ?
I mention this for the connection to the force line created by the elbow n hip idea. If you shift the vertical line you lose the potential force increase at the center-line…all the elbow centering is lost because you move it away from the opponent.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1166687]I am curious about the vertical axis line ideas…the line seems to shift side to side off the heel pivot ?
I mention this for the connection to the force line created by the elbow n hip idea. If you shift the vertical line you lose the potential force increase at the center-line…all the elbow centering is lost because you move it away from the opponent.[/QUOTE]
Interesting that you should say that Kevin because the “shifting” was one of the things I was hoping someone would explain (along with the various hand positions / transitions) based on the initial inference that this is a relatively advanced practitioner from this lineage. He appears to leave his head on the centre but move his backside from side to side thus pulling the hips away. This way of turning / shifting is contrary to the way my lineage operates (we turn on the centre of the heels directly below the ankle protusion, but the hip position and head position is completely different) so I am interested out of sheer morbid curiosity, I’m sure that there is an explanation and I’d genuinely love to hear it given that it would be so opposite to what I am used to. An explanation of the lan sau type action that seems coupled to what has been described as an uppercut / jum sao would also be good.
Perhaps it just looks strange in isolation. What does it look like in 2-man application?
[QUOTE=CFT;1166698]Perhaps it just looks strange in isolation. What does it look like in 2-man application?[/QUOTE]
True WSL often got more challenges from guys seeing him do the abstract Chum Kil form alone, thinking it was 1:1 fighting use .
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1166687]I am curious about the vertical axis line ideas…the line seems to shift side to side off the heel pivot ?[/QUOTE]
In almost all of the pin sun clips I have seen there seems to be a constant in the way they revolve the waist around their spinal axis which in turn generates their unique torque power. Similar to some of the 108 fme.
I have also taught the chain punch alignment using a very similar method, as a two man interactive set, and much of this stuff is also trained like that. Usig two man sets to develop accuracy and speed is quite common in mainland Wing Chun so it would be good to see some of that too.
We do this hip waist rotation too for power in striking, parrying, unity, ballistic force..