We just posted another Pin Sun Wing Chun clip on youtube!
This short clips is of young Sifu Fung Jia Pei. Fung Jia Pei is the son of my grand teacher, Master Sifu Fung Gen Ju, who was known as a top fighter in the Kulo family. Sifu Fung Jia Pei is only 30 years old but has been involved with his families boxing for more than half his life!
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1166434]care to enlighten the rest of us mate? i’d love an explanation of what is being shown[/QUOTE]
I am quite sure Jim is the best person to tell you exactly what he is doing! I am only aware of what my Sigung Lee Shing studied back in the 1940/50’s which is a slight variation on what these guys in Kulo/Gulao are doing now.
My uncle Sifu Joe Lee and his students are much more familiar with it all
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1166436]I am quite sure Jim is the best person to tell you exactly what he is doing! I am only aware of what my Sigung Lee Shing studied back in the 1940/50’s which is a slight variation on what these guys in Kulo/Gulao are doing now.
My uncle Sifu Joe Lee and his students are much more familiar with it all[/QUOTE]
fair enough, it was meant to be an open invitation. Its totally alien to me
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1166438]fair enough, it was meant to be an open invitation. Its totally alien to me[/QUOTE]
It will be dude! The Fung Family had a different method of practise to Ip Mans and it has been something of a ‘thorn in my side’ for an age!!
My Sigung learnt from many ‘Sifus’ before meeting Ip Man and becoming a representative of his new ‘Athletic Association’. These teachings were very treasured by Lee Shing and only taught to his close students for ‘personal preservation’ (ie. not for public teaching!) but my uncles, both Austin Goh and Joe Lee have previously tried to present this stuff in the early eighties to much criticism and it was one of the many things that contributed to those Wing Chun Wars! :o
Even to this day my own Sifu will have words with anyone in our family who openly ‘promotes’ this side of our heritage because we have no right to really, especially considering more recent developments in Kulo/Gulao village. And I can only share what I learnt, and that was never referred to as originating in a specific village it was simply Wing Chun…
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1166457]Spencer do you know what happened to Joseph Cheng- alive, dead… ?
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Yes Joy. He was rumoured to be dead when his book was re-published and the author included a new cryptic sort of foreword, but he is alive and well.
My Sifu is in regular contact with him as he is now in Southern China. He claims that he hasn’t trained Wing Chun in many many years and all his hair is now white but as some will know, he was extremely skilled in his youth and that sort of talent doesn’t fade with age
Fung Jia Pei is just demo’ing a few elements of his Wing Chun. I posted this to show some stuff that is not your common wc actions with the hope of others doing the same. I also thought it would be helping others to get a better look at Master Leung Jan’s teaching from the 1890’s.
The first action is a piece of the Big Wing done with a single hand to show one of its applications. Basically a closed fist “jit jee”. The uppercut looking fist is not an uppercut. Notice his follow up after that action is a strike with reverses line mechanics. Its more like a closed fist “gan sao”.
Fung Jia Pei is just demo’ing a few elements of his Wing Chun. I posted this to show some stuff that is not your common wc actions with the hope of others doing the same. I also thought it would be helping others to get a better look at Master Leung Jan’s teaching from the 1890’s.
The first action is a piece of the Big Wing done with a single hand to show one of its applications. Basically a closed fist “jit jee”. The uppercut looking fist is not an uppercut. Notice his follow up after that action is a strike with reverses line mechanics. Its more like a closed fist “gan sao”.
Hope this helps!
—Hi Jim- of course it helps.I enjoy seeing the gu lo links.
OTOH—those do not negate Dr Leung Jan’s life time work
which influenced Ip man’s work.
Dr Jan retired to his village and died in 2 or 3 years afterwards.
The san sik he showed some villagers some applications from a larger body of work.
The fist up and then down -those motions are there in Ip man wing chun
and is easily replicated on the jong.
Fung Jia Pei is just demo’ing a few elements of his Wing Chun. I posted this to show some stuff that is not your common wc actions with the hope of others doing the same. I also thought it would be helping others to get a better look at Master Leung Jan’s teaching from the 1890’s.
The first action is a piece of the Big Wing done with a single hand to show one of its applications. Basically a closed fist “jit jee”. The uppercut looking fist is not an uppercut. Notice his follow up after that action is a strike with reverses line mechanics. Its more like a closed fist “gan sao”.
Hope this helps!
Peace,[/QUOTE]
The line mechanics are similar to our jum inward elbow > direct striking. We also have an ‘uppercut looking’ action that isn’t an uppercut , its re-centering elbows ‘n’ hips together.
The line mechanics are similar to our jum inward elbow > direct striking. We also have an ‘uppercut looking’ action that isn’t an uppercut , its re-centering elbows ‘n’ hips together.
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1166518]Fung Jia Pei is just demo’ing a few elements of his Wing Chun. I posted this to show some stuff that is not your common wc actions with the hope of others doing the same. I also thought it would be helping others to get a better look at Master Leung Jan’s teaching from the 1890’s.[/QUOTE]
It’s all good stuff Jim, I personally love to see this sort of stuff but it was a bit of a teaser imho!!
And I feel like I must add that this way of training Wing Chun is also getting more common in and around Guangzhou too with many new Sifus springing up all the time, most recently linked to Yiu Choi and others. As Joy has already pointed out, most of the earlier Fatshan and Gulao stuff is present in some Ip Man lineages and this isn’t because they know anything about Pin Sun/Gulao WCK as such, it’s because Ip Man had already done the work integrating it into what he taught.
The 108 Wooden Man is an excellent example of this fme.
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1166518]The first action is a piece of the Big Wing done with a single hand to show one of its applications. Basically a closed fist “jit jee”. The uppercut looking fist is not an uppercut. Notice his follow up after that action is a strike with reverses line mechanics. Its more like a closed fist “gan sao”.[/QUOTE]
C’mon Jim! You know I know you know the actual ‘names’ of these sets/movements so please share!! :rolleyes:
Or are you saying these exercises sit outside the formal 12 hands??
[QUOTE=GlennR;1166558]Well why dont you say what they are if you know?[/QUOTE]
Did I say that? No.
Even so, I am sure we use slightly different terms and it will all depend on whether these specific movements are within the 12 hands or if they are additional exercises, perhaps part of a 22 point system instead. Anyway, it’s better for Jim to share, as he is the main man here with regards to the Fung Family.
Then again, when I say ‘we’ I actually mean Joe Lee/Austin Goh students because (like I have said so many times) I was not taught Kulo/Gulao village or PSWCK, although many of my peers say they see it in my movement I simply have another understanding of what it is… which I am sure I have also tried to share here!! But not today
C’mon Jim! You know I know you know the actual ‘names’ of these sets/movements so please share!!
Or are you saying these exercises sit outside the formal 12 hands??
JJR wrote:
The first action is a piece of the Big Wing done with a single hand to show one of its applications. Basically a closed fist “jit jee”.
The uppercut looking fist is not an uppercut. Notice his follow up after that action is a strike with reverses line mechanics. Its more like a closed fist “gan sao”.
First, the whole I Know You Know I Know gave me a chuckle. LOL Do you really want my honest thoughts on that??? :eek:
I wrote what they were doing even tho you think differently. None are a “Complete Set” from the twelve if this is what you are asking or thinking. If so, you are wrong.
The first action is the first piece of Dai Bong set done with a single hand which also happens to be the same idea as the Jit Jee Sao. The only difference is that Jit Jee is done with an open hand. Jit Jee is part of Jit Jee Kum Kiu so the first action is not the full Dai Bong and not the full Jit Jee Kum Kiu but a piece being demo’d just like I said it was…
The next action was an isolated piece of the Hok Bong set done with a closed fist and also certainly not the complete set. He is breaking some stuff down and isolating it for demo just like I said it was…
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1166570]First, the whole I Know You Know I Know gave me a chuckle. LOL Do you really want my honest thoughts on that??? :eek:[/QUOTE]
Honesty would be the best option for all of us no?! I’m just happy you at least are beginning to understand my humour!
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1166570]I wrote what they were doing even tho you think differently. None are a “Complete Set” from the twelve if this is what you are asking or thinking.[/QUOTE]
As I thought sir!
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1166570]… the first action is not the full Dai Bong and not the full Jit Jee Kum Kiu but a piece being demo’d just like I said it was…
The next action was an isolated piece of the Hok Bong set done with a closed fist and also certainly not the complete set. He is breaking some stuff down and isolating it for demo just like I said it was…[/QUOTE]
Also, unsurprisingly, this is also as I thought sir!!
I have no problem with seniors such as Fung Jia Pei doing this as it does protect the original sets from the internet vultures! I myself, and my Sifu, and even Lee Shing himself done exactly the same and I personally continue to do so because I am not ‘teaching online’, I am simply sharing ideas.
FYI I am going to one of my uncle Joe Lee’s first ‘social’ events as I bumped into one of his senior students who just happens to now live across the road from me!! Crazy :eek: But I have been asked to possibly share something with his students and I am sure they too will show a few bits so I will see if anything is worth putting up online (with his permission of course!) He is one of the only students of Lee Shing who CAN talk about some of this stuff as it was the main ingredients of his learning.
If I can help in any way share more information and bring our worlds closer together then I am here dude…
