Hello,
We have been working on sharing more Kulo village Pin Sun boxing info. thru youtube. Yesterday we posted two new clips! Enjoy
Sifu Fung Chun demonstrates “Som Bai Fut”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=bmXWjKPYIts&feature=endscreen
JJR demonstrates Siu Lin & Dai Lin “Jong Sao - Dummy Hands”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-3f8aZD4o&feature=player_embedded
Other Pin Sun youtube clips:
Sifu Fung Chun & JJR “Chuk Ging”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_qCmfvIt_c&feature=related
JJR & Partner “Siu Lin - Partner Set”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XjTpWkHjVc&feature=related
JJR & Partner “Dai Lin - Partner Set”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKjiOBtX_k4&feature=related
You can also find more footage at:
http://www.apricotforesthall.com/gallery_videos.html
Respect to Master Leung Jan!
Peace,
Jim Roselando
www.apricotforesthall.com
www.wingchunillustrated.com
http://web.mit.edu/qigong
Thanks for posting the videos, will give them a watch.
Very nice clips. Thanks Jim.
It’s nice to see the clips again, as I do like to follow your research Jim, and I was happy to learn a martial cousin of mine in Austria was recently trained by Fung Chun in his 12 hand set.
Still, very different way of learning but all good imho. 
Hello,
Thanks for the feedback.
I enjoy sharing this stuff so we will continue to post more clips little by little on different elements of Master Leung Jan’s teaching. Many people are always asking about Pin Sun’s Wooden Dummy Hands so we wanted to get that footage out for all plus little footage of Master Fung Chun demo’ing SBF.
Enjoy!
Jim
www.apricotforesthall.com
www.wingchunillustrated.com
http://web.mit.edu/qigong
How is it a different way of learning? What delineates it from other Wing Chun? Is this style suitable for first timers or is it better to be well versed in another style? Do they use the three forms?
Thanks,
Jack
[QUOTE=beungood;1151134]How is it a different way of learning? What delineates it from other Wing Chun? Is this style suitable for first timers or is it better to be well versed in another style? Do they use the three forms?
Thanks,
Jack[/QUOTE]
They don’t train the forms. They train certain movements or ‘San Sik’.
Some of the posters in this thread are versed in the Kulo arts, and can provide you with more information than I.
Hello Jack,
Basically all Wing Chun is all pretty “similar”. We all have (for the most part) the same tools but the difference in Master Leung Jan’s arts compared to other Wing Chun systems can be found in the arts core platform rather than the longer classical sets, the partner & sticking sets are a a bit different and the principles/dynamics are different from most Foshan WC. So, even tho we are all similar there are the little things that make each art unique but it is certainly suitable for new or experienced people. There are no classical forms.
For more info:
www.apricotforesthall.com
Hopse this helps!
Peace,
Jim
How is it a different way of learning? What delineates it from other Wing Chun? Is this style suitable for first timers or is it better to be well versed in another style? Do they use the three forms?
Thanks,
Jack
Do they all use Snake Engine and power generation?
[QUOTE=beungood;1151353]Do they all use Snake Engine and power generation?[/QUOTE]
No fancy stuff in Kulo. Simplicity gives you speed, coverage and power.
Hello,
Do they all use Snake Engine and power generation
The “Snake” engine is (IMO) preserved by Yik Kam’s lineage. Not Leung Jan’s Pin Sun Wing Chun. Certainly dynamics, momentum and power generation are part of our training. Leung Jan’s art uses multi-directional forces combined with soft dynamics to produce its Chuk Ging. Of course you have to combine that stuff with a specifically conditioned body to get maximum results.
None of the above stuff, including YK’s Snake methods, are complicated at all. Its all very simple stuff designed to hit the body at a rapid pace. Both Yik Kam’s method and Pin Sun’s methods are truly refined and effective. The other great thing about both is that they are so simple anyone can practice them and they both will have a similar effect on your athletics as if you are taking Wing Chun Steroids!!!
Hope this helps!
Peace,
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1151376]The “Snake” engine is (IMO) preserved by Yik Kam’s lineage. Not Leung Jan’s Pin Sun Wing Chun. Certainly dynamics, momentum and power generation are part of our training. Leung Jan’s art uses multi-directional forces combined with soft dynamics to produce its Chuk Ging. Of course you have to combine that stuff with a specifically conditioned body to get maximum results.[/QUOTE]
Y’know Jim, thank you for finally using a Wing Chun specific Cantonese term, rather than using the Fajin that seems to be permeating throughout this forum these days! Not that it’s an issue for me, but I can see it being quite confusing for the newcomers imho.
You are the only other person I know of here who has used the term ‘Chuk Ging’ and although I pronounce that ‘Chook’ I can only guess we are referring to the same energy projection
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1151379]Y’know Jim, thank you for finally using a Wing Chun specific Cantonese term, rather than using the Fajin that seems to be permeating throughout this forum these days! Not that it’s an issue for me, but I can see it being quite confusing for the newcomers imho.
You are the only other person I know of here who has used the term ‘Chuk Ging’ and although I pronounce that ‘Chook’ I can only guess we are referring to the same energy projection
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.[/QUOTE]
Jim has learn both the kulo and snake engine directly and experience both . So he could tell you how things work from his experience.
Jim also has went to see the gate holder of emei 12 zhuang to see for himself what is the snake. And confirm the five finger trace taiji in the Gm Fung clip as in the end of the Sam bai fut clip above is the emei 12 five finger tracing taiji DNA.
Btw
Chun ging is a specific type of ging .
Fajin or fat ging is refer as general force vector issue.
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1151376]The “Snake” engine is (IMO) preserved by Yik Kam’s lineage. Not Leung Jan’s Pin Sun Wing Chun. Certainly dynamics, momentum and power generation are part of our training. Leung Jan’s art uses multi-directional forces combined with soft dynamics to produce its Chuk Ging. Of course you have to combine that stuff with a specifically conditioned body to get maximum results.[/QUOTE]
What’s the difference between the snake engine, and the engine in PSWC?
Hello,
Chuk Ging is the term used by Kulo lineage. Perhaps Lee Shing’s exposure to Pin Sun Wing Chun is why you guys have that term. For me, Fa Jin or Faat Ging is not as WC specific but both are descriptive terms for different ways of issuing force.
Peace,
Jim
Y’know Jim, thank you for finally using a Wing Chun specific Cantonese term, rather than using the Fajin that seems to be permeating throughout this forum these days! Not that it’s an issue for me, but I can see it being quite confusing for the newcomers imho.
You are the only other person I know of here who has used the term ‘Chuk Ging’ and although I pronounce that ‘Chook’ I can only guess we are referring to the same energy projection
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Hello,
Pin Sun & Yik Kam both retain core elements that contain old style boxing and cultivation. Both of these arts also have similar dynamics and concepts. The main difference is (besides platform) Yik Kam’s art has retained the Qi & Meridian process and the Kulo art does not address this aspect.
Hope this helps.
Jim
What’s the difference between the snake engine, and the engine in PSWC?
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1151385]What’s the difference between the snake engine, and the engine in PSWC?[/QUOTE]
Hello KFF,
Can’t speak for Jim, but in the 22pt line the power method can be classified under Bai Fut Sau (Buddha Palm), Siu Lim Sau (Tau) and Fook Fu (Subdue Tiger). Of course, each Sik has its own power generating characteristics, with some overlapping.
The Yut Ji Fung An Tsui (Phoenix Eye Hammer) marks the perimeter of the forward triangle, and the Baat Gua (Hanging 8) marks the reverse triangle.
The Sup Ji Sei Mun Fu Mei Tsui (Tiger Tail Hammer) marks the directions plus it is the mother of most of the changes.
The Siks are not really “forms/stances” with strict structures; but exercises to cultivate the correct habits, method and power.
Jim, I think you are doing a 12pt? and Spencer a 40pt? (please correct me if I my memory is off) It would be nice to hear from your view.
Cheers,
John
[QUOTE=Jim Roselando;1151481]Hello,
Chuk Ging is the term used by Kulo lineage. Perhaps Lee Shing’s exposure to Pin Sun Wing Chun is why you guys have that term.[/QUOTE]
I do not for one moment think or believe that this term is linked only to Kulo Village, but it could explain why nobody ever uses it. While I was learning, and even my own Sifu, Kulo village was never mentioned once. My Sifu was with Lee Shing for over 35 years. It was my kung fu uncle Sifu Joe Lee who first used the term ‘Kulo’ (Gulao) Wing Chun and he was sidelined and criticized so much for doing so he literally shut himself off from the commercial Wing Chun world and continued to teach from his front room!! Hence the term ‘closed door’! He is adament that what he specialized in was Lee Shings knowledge of Kulo Wing Chun, and I for one believe him. 
as do his close group of long term students, some have been with him now for over 20 years.
Lee Shing learnt from many sources and he was a pioneer of his day because of this fact. He was on a mission to simply help Ip Man promote Wing Chun, not Ip Man Wing Chun, Kulo Wing Chun or whatever. Just Wing Chun on behalf of the Wing Chun Pai at the time. This is also why every one of his students learnt something different from the other. No set curriculum, just individually tailored Wing Chun training.
[QUOTE=imperialtaichi;1151602]Jim, I think you are doing a 12pt? and Spencer a 40pt? (please correct me if I my memory is off) It would be nice to hear from your view.
Cheers,
John[/QUOTE]
Hi John
FWIW Lee Shing taught a 12 set hand system only from the Fung Family. And he taught that method to (possibly) only one student I know of out of hundreds, Sifu Joe Lee. But don’t get me wrong, Sifu Joe Lee had to learn all the Ip Man HK stuff first and teach that to his students first before he could even consider talking about the 12 methods. My Sigung held that knowledge with some major adoration.
My own Sifu was taught a broader curriculum simply because he was around Lee Shing for the longest time. I consider this to be a mix of Kulo/Foshan/Guandong and HK Wing Chun. This was what he taught me, and we later deciphered and minimized it all to a 40 point method which I teach today. I am the first person authorized to do this under my Sifu, along with my SiHing, and this is why it was so unfamiliar back in 1997 when we first demonstrated in Londons Chinatown.
I’ve said it before and I will say it again.
IMHO These methods are exactly that. A method of teaching/coaching Wing Chun using simple expressions to remember key points and ideas passed down from the ancestors rather than terminologies or names of techniques. We have references to Tigers and Dragons too, plum flower wooden man work, a massive array of legwork and alternative interactive drills with weaponry and small subsets of specific Heigung practice that is different from the YKS stuff. All these methods of teaching did not come from Ip Man. I have always been certain of that.
Man, sorry for that babbling. My first of 2012!!! But I hope it helps a little.. 
Spencer,
I do not know any other lineage that uses that term other than Kulo. Maybe you can show me another lineage using the term Chuk Ging? Even if Lee Shing was mainly teaching his own combo of WC arts (that were mainly rooted in YMWC) it does not mean he didn’t use some of our terms while teaching.
Peace,
Jim
You wrote:
I do not for one moment think or believe that this term is linked only to Kulo Village, but it could explain why nobody ever uses it.