Pavell on FOX talking about strength training right now.
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
And now he’s gone.
Anybody got his web site?
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
Im glad Pavel (and especially his ideas ) are getting some exposure now.
“You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting”
Spinning Backfist
I dont have it handy, but its somewhere off the dragondoor publications site. If you havent found it by tonight lemme know and Ill sift through my stuff to find it.
“You guys have obviously never done any real fighting if you are mocking spitting”
Spinning Backfist
www.dragondoor.com there he’s got his products and his msg board 
Free thinkers are dangerous!
Hey, can anybody remember if this is the same guy that did the weird, belly cutting knife disarm?
I get my Ruskies confused.
I haven’t done his program, but allot of it sounds like the stuff I’m doing with Matt Furey’s stuff.
Anybody tell me what he means by not working to exaustion being better for strength. This goes against everything I’ve ever heard, or experienced for that matter.
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
JWT - Nope, the wierd knife “disarm” guy is Vladimir Vasilev. I don’t think they’re affiliated in any way.
Pavel has some, uh… remarkable… ideas about conditioning. Alot of it WILL directly contradict what you’ve heard elsewhere. But it’s worth trying, because at least some of it is excellent. And his books are actually fun to read. If you have the $$$ I’d strongly recommend picking them up if you’re interested in conditioning, even if you disagree with everything he says.
Vlad Vasiliev was the instructor in the knife disarm clip you are thinking of.
(Braden got the scoop!)
I don’t get mad.
I get stabby.
Although Vlad used kettlebells in his younger days, he currently directs his students to do bodyweight exercises only. The exercises he teaches are very different.
I don’t get mad.
I get stabby.
Pavel knows his shite. It contradicts everything you’ve ever heard, and it is amazingly effective.
Here is an example of what will contradict everything you’ve ever heard. One of Pavel’s programs recommends doing Deadlift and Bench Press 5 days a week.
“FIVE DAYS A WEEK?! YOU CAN’T DO THAT!! THAT WILL LEAD TO OVER TRAINING!!!”
Hehe, I had someone tape the Pavel thing for me, but I haven’t seen it yet. Was it good?
Iron
I can see doing five days a week if you aren’t training to exhaustion. But I’d be surprised if it made you any stronger.
It is certainly not the program that has been successful for professional power lifters.
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
But I think I get it,
Let’s lay down a couple of basic principles first.
But, a soldier doesn’t really know how long they will be out in the field and they will performing any number of tasks. Moreover, you can bet that they will be getting inadequate rest and nutrition.
So, I guess the logic is repeated stress every day will be a closer mirror to the situations that a soldier will actually face in combat.
But I’m still not sure it’s the best way to prepare your body for such an encounter.
I know that before I climb a mountain, I bulk up as much as possible. Not because I need the strength, but becuase I need some food reserves for the climb.
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
I can see doing five days a week if you aren’t training to exhaustion. But I’d be surprised if it made you any stronger.
I dunno. It added 35lbs to my bench in 3 months over summer.
It is certainly not the program that has been successful for professional power lifters.
What are you talking about? The Russians always kick everyone’s ass in Olympic Weight lifting. Pavel has worked with some prestigious strength coaches in Russia, but I don’t know if he himself has worked with any “professional power lifters” or not.
Iron
JWT - Pavel’s stuff is aimed at self-defense/martial arts people, not powerlifters. But he does have a decent background in russian coaching methods in the latter.
Iron, if thats the way the Russians train I’m really surprised. Do you have any sources for that other than Pavel?
JWT
If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV
JWT,
Some Eastern Block olympic lifters train in a similar manner, some don’t. None of them train in the typical “American” manner that you find all over books and magazines here.
****** what the fucke? I set up my VCR to tape it at the time they said it would be on, but it wasn’t on.
Did anyone get a copy on tape?
Iron
JWT: Pavel cites the results of several powerlifters, both american and russian, that have used a frequent, heavy, and never-to-failure lifting strategy. Ed Coan (has set plenty of world records), Kirk Karwoski (squats 1,003), Prof. Vladimir Zatsiorsky (former soviet olympic consultant), Ivan Chakarov (world champion, he doesn’t say in what).
I haven’t checked it myself, but I’ve heard from enough different, reliable sources that soviet olympic lifters used the heavy, never-to-failure, many many training sessions with less recovery time in between method to success. Of course, soviet powerlifters may have also used steroids, so I’m more impressed with the gains of more normal people on this program that are also quoted in the book. (Dr. Judd Biasiotto, friend of Pavel’s, squatted 605 pounds while weighing 132 pounds using these brief, heavy sessions.)
By the way, this is my 1000th post. Cool, huh?
What is the set/rep breakdown on this five day lifting marathon?
I don’t get mad.
I get stabby.
Stranger: a strict power to the people routine actually consists of deadlifts and side presses, not bench presses, and it looks like this (I’m doing it right now):
Day 1: Two sets of side presses right arm, first set 5 reps at 5RM, second set at 5 reps at 90% of 5RM.
Same thing left arm.
Same thing with deadlifts.
Days 2-5: Same as day one.
The “5RM” actually varies depending on where you are in a cycle (periodization cycles, another thing discussed in the book). You never lift to failure.
In the book, Pavel says not to lift more than five days a week. Supposedly in private company he says lifting seven days a week is fine, I think that’s actually what he himself does.