It may be possible that your opponent won’t be able to respond to your 1st strike. It’s impossible that your opponent won’t be able to respond to all your strikes.
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142257]No, there is no ground fighting in WC. I can’t believe this actually needs to be said really. Yes there are different ranges of combat,no, before the year 2000 WC would probably never have been practiced regularly on the ground.
I know this because:
Pure WC practitioners have no idea what positions you end up in when you are on the ground.
I have studied WC, and I’ve never been on the ground with it.[/QUOTE]
The world, including this forum, is full of people who have “studied” Wing Chun.
Also, let me remind you that in Mainland China, there are at least 7 other authentic lineages…
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1142792]The world, including this forum, is full of people who have “studied” Wing Chun.
Also, let me remind you that in Mainland China, there are at least 7 other authentic lineages…[/QUOTE]
That’s all good, so please, prove me wrong with some evidence. I’ll accept a video off Youtube even, as long as the quality is decent.
Other than that, if you’re not adding anything productive to a conversation, then you’re not being helpful really.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYllrF8ZeZA
watch most of the vid. honestly what was shown is not a smart idea when on your back. Yeah, you can strike someone from your back, but it lacks any kind of power. second off someone that has any experience in grappling knows that you need to lock down the arms. If no lock down then lean back for GNP leverage. I understand this is a demo type video but throwing strikes from your back shouldn’t be on the top of your priority list. First should be getting out from under that person while negating the GNP from the top.
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142810]That’s all good, so please, prove me wrong with some evidence. I’ll accept a video off Youtube even, as long as the quality is decent.
Other than that, if you’re not adding anything productive to a conversation, then you’re not being helpful really.[/QUOTE]
You tube is not the beginning,nor the end of all TCMA validity. Suffice to say that in the Mainland Chinese lineage of Wing Chun that I practice, ground fighting is part of the traditional syllabus. You can believe this or not, but the fact is that this range of combat exists in Wing Chun, idependent of clips of it being available on Youtube.
By the way, the same thing that you said about there not being ground fighting in Wing Chun, has been said about other TCMA styles, and indeed in some cases aALL TCMA styles, by misinformed posters here and I assume elsewhere as well. The people who made these comments are also wrong!
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1142827]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYllrF8ZeZA
watch most of the vid. honestly what was shown is not a smart idea when on your back. Yeah, you can strike someone from your back, but it lacks any kind of power. second off someone that has any experience in grappling knows that you need to lock down the arms. If no lock down then lean back for GNP leverage. I understand this is a demo type video but throwing strikes from your back shouldn’t be on the top of your priority list. First should be getting out from under that person while negating the GNP from the top.[/QUOTE]
I posted that video in this thread first! Haha, go and look man (:
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1142828]You tube is not the beginning,nor the end of all TCMA validity. Suffice to say that in the Mainland Chinese lineage of Wing Chun that I practice, ground fighting is part of the traditional syllabus. You can believe this or not, but the fact is that this range of combat exists in Wing Chun, idependent of clips of it being available on Youtube.
By the way, the same thing that you said about there not being ground fighting in Wing Chun, has been said about other TCMA styles, and indeed in some cases aALL TCMA styles, by misinformed posters here and I assume elsewhere as well. The people who made these comments are also wrong![/QUOTE]
Right, I’m going to take a persons word as truth… OVER THE INTERNET. Nah, you need proof, it’s just one of those things that validates an argument. It’s really useful, you should try it ^^
[QUOTE=maxattck;1142727][QUOTE=Chadderz;1142400]
I don’t even know where to begin with that clip, but in short in was complaint nonsense. None of that crap would work. The person in guard had no posture, was not trying to pass, basically was just there. Those punches would lack any power, and the elbows…who just lays there like that…it so easy to get bicep control from that position. On a side not I remember anderson silva finishing a guy off his back with downward elbows, but silva had him in a triangle he was having problams finishing (his opponent escaped the traped arm):[/QUOTE]
Not sure I like the way this looks like I originally posted that clip. Nothing to do with me - please be more careful with the way you use the quote button!:mad:
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142923]
Right, I’m going to take a persons word as truth… OVER THE INTERNET. Nah, you need proof, it’s just one of those things that validates an argument. It’s really useful, you should try it ^[1]
It is ironic that you seek TCMA truth through the internet, while you refuse to take the word of someone practicing a lineage of Wing Chun that addresses the ground fighting scenario.
Also, I have the proof. It is you who doesn’t have it, so you are the one who should search for it, that is if you have an inquisitive mind. My only advice is that you will find it by dedicating yourself to practicing a REAL and AUTHENTIC TCMA, and not the majority “fast food” versions that most people, including those who post on internet forums practice. 
Alterantively, if you do not have the patience, nor the desire to research and practice the TCMAs as complete arts, then your local BJJ gym is your friend.
To each his own, I say…
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[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1143192]It is ironic that you seek TCMA truth through the internet, while you refuse to take the word of someone practicing a lineage of Wing Chun that addresses the ground fighting scenario.
Also, I have the proof. It is you who doesn’t have it, so you are the one who should search for it, that is if you have an inquisitive mind. My only advice is that you will find it by dedicating yourself to practicing a REAL and AUTHENTIC TCMA, and not the majority “fast food” versions that most people, including those who post on internet forums practice.
Alterantively, if you do not have the patience, nor the desire to research and practice the TCMAs as complete arts, then your local BJJ gym is your friend.
To each his own, I say…[/QUOTE]
Arent you the guy that admitted he didnt fight or spar?
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1143192]It is ironic that you seek TCMA truth through the internet, while you refuse to take the word of someone practicing a lineage of Wing Chun that addresses the ground fighting scenario.
Also, I have the proof. It is you who doesn’t have it, so you are the one who should search for it, that is if you have an inquisitive mind. My only advice is that you will find it by dedicating yourself to practicing a REAL and AUTHENTIC TCMA, and not the majority “fast food” versions that most people, including those who post on internet forums practice.
Alterantively, if you do not have the patience, nor the desire to research and practice the TCMAs as complete arts, then your local BJJ gym is your friend.
To each his own, I say…[/QUOTE]
Hey man, if you’ve got the proof, I want to see, because obviously, I don’t have it (that’s why I’m asking YOU) :p. Eh, I’ve stopped taking Wing Chun, the guy I was with was alright. I still take it some parts of Wing Chun (in Jun Fan Gung Fu classes) but it’s not the same thing.
When I see somebody make WC a “complete art” I’ll be there studying… Until then I’ll stick with my BJJ classes 