[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1141797]This is Colombia. You may not be outnumbered here, but you will be out gunned sooner or later…;):D[/QUOTE]
Columbia does strike me as having the potential for this happening 
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1141798]Columbia does strike me as having the potential for this happening :D[/QUOTE]
The good news about Colombia is that if you don’t look for trouble, then it will rarely find you, hence you can take advantages of the distinct beauty and culture of this country. 
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No- but wing chun was designed to train individuals for training themselves to play their own game with what they have and adapt themselves to circumstances in a martial way. Good wing chun training can result in versatility of body and mind. I have found it to be so. I can’t speak for others.[/QUOTE]
I am assuming that a long time ago a master in my Mainland Chinese lineage formulated a ground fighting methodolgy based on Wing Chun’s concepts and principles, which was not trimmed out of the style in later years.
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No- but wing chun was designed to train individuals for training themselves to play their own game with what they have and adapt themselves to circumstances in a martial way. Good wing chun training can result in versatility of body and mind. I have found it to be so. I can’t speak for others.[/QUOTE]
Im simply saying that WC is designed to specifically a ground fighting art…But it is essential designed to combat upright assualts. NE way if your WC is ground based i would love to see it in action!!!
Looks like even boxers go to the ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RmtOnbt3cM
No, there is no ground fighting in WC. I can’t believe this actually needs to be said really. Yes there are different ranges of combat,no, before the year 2000 WC would probably never have been practiced regularly on the ground.
I know this because:
Pure WC practitioners have no idea what positions you end up in when you are on the ground.
I have studied WC, and I’ve never been on the ground with it.
Thanks for your post!
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142257]No, there is no ground fighting in WC. I can’t believe this actually needs to be said really. Yes there are different ranges of combat,no, before the year 2000 WC would probably never have been practiced regularly on the ground.
I know this because:
Pure WC practitioners have no idea what positions you end up in when you are on the ground.
I have studied WC, and I’ve never been on the ground with it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142257]No, there is no ground fighting in WC. I can’t believe this actually needs to be said really. Yes there are different ranges of combat,no, before the year 2000 WC would probably never have been practiced regularly on the ground.
I know this because:
Pure WC practitioners have no idea what positions you end up in when you are on the ground.
I have studied WC, and I’ve never been on the ground with it.[/QUOTE]
LOL.
Actually you only “know” what you have been taught or experienced and unless you have trained under every lineage and every sifu within each, or maybe learnt personally from Ip Man or one of his peers on the mainland then you can only assert that there is no ground fighting in the WC that you have learnt.
As for not knowing what positions you end up in on the ground, how many different ways can you position two human bodies? Just because the gracies stuck some labels on them doesn’t make positions like mount, side mount etc suddenly mysterious and unknown. Go to any playground anywhere in the world and watch kids playfighting / fighting and you’ll see all the same positions.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1142359]LOL.
Actually you only “know” what you have been taught or experienced and unless you have trained under every lineage and every sifu within each, or maybe learnt personally from Ip Man or one of his peers on the mainland then you can only assert that there is no ground fighting in the WC that you have learnt.
As for not knowing what positions you end up in on the ground, how many different ways can you position two human bodies? Just because the gracies stuck some labels on them doesn’t make positions like mount, side mount etc suddenly mysterious and unknown. Go to any playground anywhere in the world and watch kids playfighting / fighting and you’ll see all the same positions.[/QUOTE]
Oh cool, you’re disagreeing with me. So I assume you have something constructive to add? Maybe some proof that WC is used on the ground, or practiced regularly? And if it is, how effective is it compared to other arts, SAMBO for instance.
However if you have an opinion with nothing to back it up, keep your posts to yourself. (:
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142372]Oh cool, you’re disagreeing with me. So I assume you have something constructive to add? Maybe some proof that WC is used on the ground, or practiced regularly? And if it is, how effective is it compared to other arts, SAMBO for instance.
However if you have an opinion with nothing to back it up, keep your posts to yourself. (:[/QUOTE]
For my opinion etc see the thread above before your own post. As for how effective WC is versus other arts, there is no art or style that is superior to any other only better exponents and circumstances. In terms of backing it up, I train regularly with guys who have spent years grappling in arts like wrestling, judo and jiu jitsu and I do perfectly okay thanks and they seem to like what I do because they continue to indulge me and add bits and pieces to their own training.
FYI this is a forum, if you don’t want others to respond to your posts then don’t post.
Also after reading my previous post and realising that you are new to the forum, no offence was intended by the LOL in the post. It is however extremely irritating when posters claim that their view of Wing Chun is the only one inferring that all others are wrong.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1142394]For my opinion etc see the thread above before your own post. As for how effective WC is versus other arts, there is no art or style that is superior to any other only better exponents and circumstances. In terms of backing it up, I train regularly with guys who have spent years grappling in arts like wrestling, judo and jiu jitsu and I do perfectly okay thanks and they seem to like what I do because they continue to indulge me and add bits and pieces to their own training.
FYI this is a forum, if you don’t want others to respond to your posts then don’t post.
Also after reading my previous post and realising that you are new to the forum, no offence was intended by the LOL in the post. It is however extremely irritating when posters claim that their view of Wing Chun is the only one inferring that all others are wrong.[/QUOTE]
So you cross train? That’s fine, but as I said, the Wing Chun system has never had a groundfighting element. That is YOU incorporating it yourself.
And none taken with the “LOL” thing (:
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1142397]So you cross train? That’s fine, but as I said, the Wing Chun system has never had a groundfighting element. That is YOU incorporating it yourself.
Nope, not an ounce of cross training. Merely taking what we do standing up and applying it from the floor. Training with people of other disciplines isn’t cross training, its testing. Wing chun is fighting, it can be done from the floor therefore it has groundfighting, goundfighting does not equal grappling. Everything I do on the ground is focused at ending the fight and / or getting back to the feet as quickly as possible and it’s all done using the basic toolkit found in the forms, applying the techniques in the same way as most people do (so no hidden grappling moves) just starting in a different position.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1142399][QUOTE=Chadderz;1142397]So you cross train? That’s fine, but as I said, the Wing Chun system has never had a groundfighting element. That is YOU incorporating it yourself.
Nope, not an ounce of cross training. Merely taking what we do standing up and applying it from the floor. Training with people of other disciplines isn’t cross training, its testing. Wing chun is fighting, it can be done from the floor therefore it has groundfighting, goundfighting does not equal grappling. Everything I do on the ground is focused at ending the fight and / or getting back to the feet as quickly as possible and it’s all done using the basic toolkit found in the forms, applying the techniques in the same way as most people do (so no hidden grappling moves) just starting in a different position.[/QUOTE]
They do this in Krav Maga, they phrase it “What we do up, we do down.”
So you are just “testing” which is cool! Much respect for that, but how do you fair against your grappling counterparts?
Also, I have a video here of Wing Chun type fighting from the ground, although I wish to point out that this Instructor is a JKD Instructor:
Isn’t that what the Gracies did? Apply standing Judo/ Ju Jistu techniques on the ground? Isn’t that what Kosen Judo is? Judo with emphasis on keeping the fight on the ground… Either way in the street if somebody was choking a friend of mine out on the ground . I would with out hesitation punt that persons head like I was kicking the game winning field goal. But hey that’s just me:D
Judo already has ne-waza (ground) techniques. The Gracies just emphasized that part of the judo curriculum.
[QUOTE=Jake104;1142565]Isn’t that what the Gracies did? Apply standing Judo/ Ju Jistu techniques on the ground? Isn’t that what Kosen Judo is? Judo with emphasis on keeping the fight on the ground… Either way in the street if somebody was choking a friend of mine out on the ground . I would with out hesitation punt that persons head like I was kicking the game winning field goal. But hey that’s just me:D[/QUOTE]
Similar, although grappling does transfer more naturally onto the ground. What happened was what you described, however, they did develop it into something much more.
Kinda like the way Kung Fu arts branched of into separate systems of there own.
[QUOTE=Jake104;1142565]Isn’t that what the Gracies did? Apply standing Judo/ Ju Jistu techniques on the ground? Isn’t that what Kosen Judo is? Judo with emphasis on keeping the fight on the ground… Either way in the street if somebody was choking a friend of mine out on the ground . I would with out hesitation punt that persons head like I was kicking the game winning field goal. But hey that’s just me:D[/QUOTE]
To be fair its what most folks would do, which is why IMO ground fighting should only ever be only a last resort (I would never go to the ground through choice), and should have a focus on short duration to either finish the fight or get back to the feet.
[QUOTE=CFT;1142609]Judo already has ne-waza (ground) techniques. The Gracies just emphasized that part of the judo curriculum.[/QUOTE]
That is a huge understatement.
The developed ground work to a very high level with focus on SUBMISSION as opposed to the pin AND hey did it dealing with the issues of strikes in a no-holds barred environment.
I would love to see that in that action from wrestler actually trying to submit or pin you!!!
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1142399][QUOTE=Chadderz;1142397]So you cross train? That’s fine, but as I said, the Wing Chun system has never had a groundfighting element. That is YOU incorporating it yourself.
Nope, not an ounce of cross training. Merely taking what we do standing up and applying it from the floor. Training with people of other disciplines isn’t cross training, its testing. Wing chun is fighting, it can be done from the floor therefore it has groundfighting, goundfighting does not equal grappling. Everything I do on the ground is focused at ending the fight and / or getting back to the feet as quickly as possible and it’s all done using the basic toolkit found in the forms, applying the techniques in the same way as most people do (so no hidden grappling moves) just starting in a different position.[/QUOTE]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYllrF8ZeZA[/QUOTE]
I don’t even know where to begin with that clip, but in short in was complaint nonsense. None of that crap would work. The person in guard had no posture, was not trying to pass, basically was just there. Those punches would lack any power, and the elbows…who just lays there like that…it so easy to get bicep control from that position. On a side not I remember anderson silva finishing a guy off his back with downward elbows, but silva had him in a triangle he was having problams finishing (his opponent escaped the traped arm):