Seems that we should practice what we preach, especially before speaking.
Recently I’ve been rolling about 2-3 hours a week. Boxing headgear and small gloves, and groundpounding as well as looking for submission, etc. I like groundpounding better personally.
I train at about 9-10 hours a week (actually sometimes up to 14 if I include all the weightlifting, jumping rope, etc.)
I’ll never fight in a MMA event. It’s not something I desire to do. 
I’m too deadly! 
LOL JK, actually I just don’t care for that kind of competition. I watch it a lot though.
Ryu
Originally posted by Ryu
[B]Recently I’ve been rolling about 2-3 hours a week. Boxing headgear and small gloves, and groundpounding as well as looking for submission, etc. I like groundpounding better personally.
I train at about 9-10 hours a week (actually sometimes up to 14 if I include all the weightlifting, jumping rope, etc.)
I’ll never fight in a MMA event. It’s not something I desire to do.
I’m too deadly! LOL JK, actually I just don’t care for that kind of competition. I watch it a lot though.
Ryu [/B]
Ryu:
Based on your stated goals of training, I really think you are shortchanging yourself by not entering a couple of MMA competitions. “Competing for sport” in an MMA event or two will bring your street abilities to a whole different level. Try it and then tell me I’m wrong. I don’t think you will.
Well I could always change my mind in the future. You may be right. It’s just that if I do compete I really have to have the passion to do it. MMA competitions and the competitors who fight in them are incredibly focused and passionate about what they do. If I go in there without a 100% desire or a half-doubting thought about why I’m entering, etc. I’ll get my ass handed to me.
And that’s the truth.
So if I do compete in the future, I need to make sure my heart is completely focused on that aspect of martial arts. I’m sure you agree. But who knows what the future will bring.
Thanks for the comments.
Ryu
…Not “That” again! :rolleyes:
WOW!! Look @ all the newbies. Too many to keep up with. They are coming out of the woodwork, and they are like, really obnoxious too!!! This forum is GREAT!!!
~Wen~
In terms of the MMA fighting, I agree with 3d man to a point. If you are a fan and somewhat knowledgeable about the sport, I think it is OK to criticize fighters just like you might criticize professional basketball players. On the other hand, there are some who are not fans and who have never fought in one of these events but criticize them as being “unrealistic” or “just a sport” or “just two guys rolling around on the floor” or “sloppy kickboxing”. These are the people who don’t have a clue. To those people who are not fans or fighters, but just critics of the whole concept, I say, get in the ring against a skilled MMA fighter, just once, and then come back and say that.
Joedoe knows
Joedoe,
I resent the implication that I am moving my lips. I don’t have to move my lips when I type. An Australian was the first man to ever kick my ass. He literally kicked me through a god forsaken door. I started formal training immediately.
The opinions expressed herein are my own. If you don’t like them, i am really, really sorrry. 
I had a hard day. Some yo-yo from Shaolin-Do with his “too deadly for tournament use martial art,” so we decided to try a little light sparring. He didn’t know how to tap and I tweeked his neck a wee bit. Idiot.
“Master, what does an elbow sound like when you seperate the joint.”
'Like crisp celery my son."
Can i just quickly point something out…
Knife fighter just wrote an excerlent comment above but i would like to change it a little and show you MMA guys something…
M edited version of knifefighters comments:
In terms of the ‘CMA’ fighting, I agree with 3d man to a point. If you are a fan and somewhat knowledgeable about the ‘art’, I think it is OK to criticize fighters just like you might criticize professional basketball players. On the other hand, there are some who are not fans and who have never fought with one of these ‘practioners’ but criticize them as being “unrealistic” or ‘Just for show’ or “just two guys rolling around on the floor” or “sloppy kickboxing”. These are the people who don’t have a clue. To those people who are not ‘cma’ or fighters, but just critics of the whole concept, I say, get in ‘and fight’ against a skilled ‘cma’ fighter, just once, and then come back and say that.
My point here being that this is an excerlent comment but could be used as a defense for ANY style…
If you guys do not like people saying that MMA is over rated then my advice would be to stop promoting your events as the ‘ulitimate’ in fighting…
Also the main time i see traditional artists preporting that MMA competions are not street viable are when there under attack from MMA types for there training methods.
You dont see many posts on KFO for example from CMA practioners asking exactly why MMA guys feel the need to use gloves constantly.
hmmm
Originally posted by 3D Man
[B] A small show with regional fighters gives you the right to speak with authority. I think a intrastyle dojo match counts too. The question is do you train for real and do you have the sack to fight.
[/B]
So only sporting events count? I suppose Im out, since I do not care to injure people (including myself ,for glory/money/fun)
I guess saving my own life with my art doesnt fit into your pigeon hole definition of a true fighter?
CMC taiji? No wonder you have not learned much about fighting, just to let you know not all taiji players think learning to fight is purely conceptual (ahhemm.. bamboo…) Some of us do the “alive” like training, to include real time uncooperative sparring, and reactionary drills etc… Doing forms and push hands alone will not teach you enough about fighting.
I do have a great respect for the MMA competitors they are exceptional althetes. All Martial artists should be well-rounded in all fighting ranges, but saying you have to enter one to know how to fight is an ignorant view.
Oh, and people can talk as much smack as they seem fit about the stuff, its to be expected, how many people do you know talk smack about football, basketball..etc.. and never play at near a pro level? Get over it…
Gary
Hi.
To a certain degree I am with Jon here.
Personally, I don’t care about MMA Tourneys(UFC, Pride, WWF), BJJ’s/Groundfighting skills and the like.
But the hype that these days get associated with those styles, comps, etc tends to get a bit on my Nerves.
Neither is anything new, nor have any new insights into fighting or the one technique to end all other technqiues been found.
So of course a lot of traditionalists also get their hackles up, when they get here continiously that our stuff is outdated, ineffeicient, incomplete, etc.
When in reality all it appears to be is some old stuff re-heated and sold under a new name/label.
Just my Opinion.
3D man
Forgive me if it came across that I was offended - I wasn’t. I just like to poke fun
Anyway, sorry you had a bad day. I can see your point, however a) I think it was a little harsh and b) I think it could have been delivered in a less inciteful manner.
But anyway, it is just a discussion after all, and as you pointed out you are entitled to your opinion
Drivng to work is more of a risk
Why won’t most folks put it on the line? Their ego pure and simple. Losing sucks and they don’t want to lose face. The worst you are looking at is surgery unless you are really, really unlucky.
Red Fist you are absolutely right. The Brazilian’s invented nothing, but they are one of the very few groups of martial artists that have maintained the tradition of the challenge or the test. They train hard, even obsessively. They have been credited with something new by many. I think they just were able to maintain the warrior spirit in brazil while it whithered elsewhere in the world.
The question is whether the vine that is still alive can be fully revived. Maeda brought the warrior spirit and two years of instruction. The Gracie’s got the rest of the world off of it’s ass.
I feel like trying to use wave hands in clouds to set up a kimura is useful. I know it has been done before, but not recently.
No worries Abandit. I’m just having fun twisting nipples.
“CMC taiji? No wonder you have not learned much about fighting, just to let you know not all taiji players think learning to fight is purely conceptual (ahhemm.. bamboo…)”
ha ha this really brought a smile to me thanks.
All fighting is conceptual until execution, the basic argument that many try to make here is that because they don’t see many or any CMA players in these events their concept of fighting is out dated assuming you view fighting in terms of these events.
I don’t but many here seem to.
The other argument really concerns training and strategies used, skills developed. Rather style specific until you can get past it.
Which you don’t seem to be by the way.
I would watch those concepts if you don’t understand them they can be quite painful to learn.
Re: Drivng to work is more of a risk
Originally posted by 3D Man
The question is whether the vine that is still alive can be fully revived.
This of course leads to the next questions:
1.) How should the vine be revived?
2.) Who do we entrust to do the reviving?
3.) Is there really a need for the vine to be revived?
4.) Or should we nurture a new off-shoot of this vine that allows us to develop other aspects to deal with modern day challenges(stress, overwork, obesity,etc.)?
No need to reply, as I think everybody needs to find their own answers to these questions.
And discussing the possible answers to these questions would only murky the waters further.
But than I think even the Masters of gone days had to confront these questions on a regular basis.
Just something to ponder.
I’m with you red fist
Over and out.
3D Man,
Please tell us how many places have you been in the world?
Your statements about the world and the US, how do you come to these conclusions?
lol
I figured that one would make you smile bamboo!
"I would watch those concepts if you don’t understand them they can be quite painful to learn."
That is exactly the point I was trying to make, the concepts (or ideas syn) have to be more than just that, they have to be made something tangible. Even if you know and understand a concept, you must be able to apply it.
Are you really saying that all the people who don’t compete don’t because of ego? If someone wants to hold down a job, focus on his family and do something other then fight in a cage he’s a big sissy and afraid of losing?
I hope that’s not what was being alluded to…
It’s that kind of thing that makes me NOT want to compete even more. Sometimes I think the people who claim everyone has to cage fight to be legit are just as nuts as the people who say cage fighting isn’t realistic.
There’s middle ground in life, people.
If that’s not what you were saying, forgive and forget the post.
It’s late, and I’m tired. 
Ryu
wouldn’t it be great if we were capable of making a compelling and intelligible argument without resorting to statements like “anyone that does/doesn’t do [fill in the blank] is just a [fill in the blank].”
if you’ve got a point to make, by all means, fire away. but when you’re constructing these arguments, 3D man, how about doing so in a way that isn’t designed to be conflictual. you can lay that “it’s my opinion” line down, and be perfectly right. it is your opinion. but ask yourself what your objective is. if it is just as you’ve said, a rant, then you’ve gotten something off your chest and gotten everyone else’s hackles up. well done. but if you want to do something more constructive than that, you may want to try a little more tact.
i agree with much of your point, but absolute statements about people’s motivations, fears, and so on aren’t useful or fair. they’re indications of looking for an argument, not looking to discuss an idea.
stuart b.