He speaks the truth.
the problem is the majority of chinese styles
dont work
mma and forward thinking beats all the end
u should all accept that and take what u can from wherever u can
LOL @ having to conciously make the system you are training in “look” a certain way. This is the theoretical non-fighters’ view of how they think fighting is supposed to be.
Who cares how it “looks”? Fighting doesn’t look a certain way because you try to make it that way… it looks a certain way based on each specific situation and any rules that might be present.
The reality based combat systems don’t care about how something “looks” because they are based on functionality. A boxing, wrestling, Judo, Samb, MMA or BJJ coach would never even think about giving a speech like that because it is completely irrelevant. A functionally based coach would be talking about strategies, techniques and tactics, not some gobbldigook about making one’s art look a certain way.
Chinese styles do work just because you cant apply the technique does not mean someone else can. You are right about conciously make the system you are training in “look” a certain way. It should be praticed enough that its unconscious.
[QUOTE=Hung gar;786396]Chinese styles do work just because you cant apply the technique does not mean someone else can. [/QUOTE]
According to the person giving the speech, the techniques were not working. According to him, the forms and weapons work was not being translated into fighting. That was his whole point in his “make it look like CMA” speech.
Maybe it’s not a matter of making in “unconcious” (after all the weapons and forms would have been at this unconcious level), but more a matter of the forms not being applicable to fighting.
What i am say is that the applaciton shoud be pacticed to a piont of unconscious not the forms.
[QUOTE=golden arhat;786393]the problem is the majority of chinese styles
dont work
thats a bs quote that would be lack experience and being young and fullish at heart
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thats a bs quote that would be lack experience and being young and fullish at heart[/QUOTE]
look we have proved time and again that what we do works and what u do does not
this is undisputed
and until u can prove me wrong u can not say the opposite
oh yeah and btw i’m chjanging what i said from “most chinese styles”
to
“most traditional styles” so at least i’m not a rascist
some principles and methods can be adapted and taken fromTMA but in their present state most trad styles
dont work
period
flame all u want
I took his speech as a call for the return of “testing what works” (being as he mentioned it) and progression; I guess a narrowminded person would assume that when he said to fight with your style he meant that you should ditch all other fighting styles.
golden arhat just because you have no talent for tmc doesn’t mean you should put it down.
[QUOTE=Hung gar;786411]golden arhat just because you have no talent for tmc doesn’t mean you should put it down.[/QUOTE]
Although I’m sure that Arhat doesn’t have much talent in “Traditional Martial China” I think that he simply wants to see a progressive martial arts community. Unfortunately he isn’t very diplomatic about it.
[QUOTE=Hung gar;786411]golden arhat just because you have no talent for tmc doesn’t mean you should put it down.[/QUOTE]
actually before i found mixed martial arts
i was renowned for forms and discussing theory at length like alot of trad martial artists
i woke up
[QUOTE=NJM;786413]Although I’m sure that Arhat doesn’t have much talent in “Traditional Martial China” I think that he simply wants to see a progressive martial arts community. Unfortunately he isn’t very diplomatic about it.[/QUOTE]
ur right
i have no tact i just tell it like it is
i would like to see a wrld where we all take whats useful from everywhere
adhere to principles instead of pointless flowery things
the fruit not the flower
[QUOTE=golden arhat;786423]ur right
i have no tact i just tell it like it is
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lol:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=golden arhat;786423]ur right
i have no tact i just tell it like it is
i would like to see a wrld where we all take whats useful from everywhere
adhere to principles instead of pointless flowery things
the fruit not the flower[/QUOTE]
Here’s where we run into a problem. Every style has things that don’t work. Every style has flowery movements or movements that aren’t easily applied in real fights. Many things in Shaolin forms are meant to help the form transition from one stage to another and do not have technique, yet it is still useful to the form. Many contain techniques, like kicks, that exist in exercise form in the sets but have applicable forms in sparring. If you do not have a teacher there to interpret for you, you will not learn the correct application.
I know you’ve heard this from many people, and it doesn’t carry as much weight as it used to. But the “flowery” moves are meant to be cut away through sparring and testing, and they aren’t meant to weaken proper practice. I see no harm in having exercise versions of movements as long as the practitioner knows it and tests his sets through sparring.
There are too many teachers who don’t know the proper apps, and just make stuff up out of untested theory though.
[QUOTE=NJM;786430] Every style has things that don’t work. Every style has flowery movements or movements that aren’t easily applied in real fights. .[/QUOTE]
Really? Which techniques in BJJ don’t work? Where are the flowery movements in wrestling? Which Muay Thai techniques are hard to apply in a real fight?
Here’s a simple question, why is it that all we hear is whining and biotching about how everyone that fights “looks like kickboxing”? So where are the people fighting, in some realistic full contact format, looking like “a crane”? Or “a snake”?
If you really think the masters of old fought looking like Shaw brothers’ movies, man I feel sorry for you…
Too much time doing forms, hiding in caves and doing fluff… fighting is kicks, knees, punches, elbows and grappling. It’s not “Chinese” anymore than it is “Korean” or “Japanese”… Sambo is Russian, looks a lot like Judo, Shuai Chiao is Chinese, looks a lot like Judo. Take off the jackets, it all looks like wrestling
Why is it the only people who even do end up “fighting Chinese” do so in very limited venues against very limited competition?