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enlighten yourself and enjoy the peaceful music… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWOFW9eVM0

kinda makes you wonder about some things - why the red chinese aggression into tibet… what are they looking for?? is there a hidden valley that the lama’s guard? do lama’s really levitate?? why would someone make up a story of levitating lama’s?? why the crackdown on falun gong - what is so threatening about it’s practice?? DNA, genetic engineering, enlightenment, taoist alchemical transmutation concepts… seems everything in life begins to wind it’s way back to the manifesting understanding that we are not alone. once this reality is embraced, it begins to become easier to understand exactly how and why higher intelligence and wisdom was passed along from the “heavens” and why there are so many wars designed to keep the truth from us - there is great change coming my friends. :slight_smile:

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chaotic ramblings of a man half awake?

:stuck_out_tongue:

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;969341]chaotic ramblings of a man half awake?[/QUOTE]i can’t imagine someone such as yourself not having a grasp of the information plainly and clearly present in view for the whole world to see… if the truth got any closer to your face it would stick you in the eye. :slight_smile:

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we all get to die eventually.

enjoy your ability to suck in the air and feel the sun on your face.

what’s more important?

:slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;969345]we all get to die eventually.[/quote]better to die with a freed mind rather than an imprisoned soul.

enjoy your ability to suck in the air and feel the sun on your face.
this is why it’s time to free the prisoners and those who are oppressed thru out the world… the truth will set you free - information is light, light is truth. how many people do not have the ability to take for granted their liberty and freedom?? how many live in fear and ignorance? as long as people live in fear, they will remain slaves of the planets current masters.

what’s more important?
to ride the wave of change when it comes…

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glad you have such belief. :slight_smile:

good to have something.

of course this isn’t my belief. I associate all religions into one big ball of “why the world is FU<Ked up” If we didn’t have religions then this would be a much nicer place. But you always have some idiot out there pushing his religion on people and then the people don’t want it and then before you know it someone is dead and then the cycle is started.

I’ll state the same thing I tell the mormon kids that come around. “keep your voodoo to yourselves, I want no part of it.”

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[QUOTE=uki;969334]enlighten yourself and enjoy the peaceful music… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWOFW9eVM0

kinda makes you wonder about some things - why the red chinese aggression into tibet… what are they looking for?? why the crackdown on falun gong - what is so threatening about it’s practice?? :)[/QUOTE]

  1. Tibet had some religion freedom initially, till cultural revolution. mind you, it was a slavery system.— if president lincoln was to free the slaves, why tibet should not be freed of a multi-century old slavery system dating back to thousand of years ago.

  2. fa lun practice as an individual persuit. no body cares what you do at home. but when they started to gather huge mass of crowd and showed up in tian an men square-- president jiang zhe ming saw that was a threat to CPC just as he saw student uprising in 89 as a threat to the party–

  3. tang dynasty, buddhism flourished b/c it was a prosperous, techonology advanced, literature abounding— society, b/c people were well fed and rich, they had time to persue religion luxuries, architech fancies etc etc

even Japan sent 3000 students to learn from tang including buddhism

shaolin temple flourished, too (sponsored by the government of tang with imperial decree)

and so are kung fu–

shaolin warrior monks or fighting monks-- (paid and salaried by the governemnt of tang)

tried to keep the thread on topic with kung fu–

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[QUOTE=SPJ;969353]1. Tibet had some religion freedom initially, till cultural revolution. mind you, it was a slavery system.— if president lincoln was to free the slaves, why tibet should not be freed of a multi-century old slavery system dating back to thousand of years ago.

  1. fa lun practice as an individual persuit. no body cares what you do at home. but when they started to gather huge mass of crowd and showed up in tian an men square-- president jiang zhe ming saw that was a threat to CPC just as he saw student uprising in 89 as a threat to the party–

  2. tang dynasty, buddhism flourished b/c it was a prosperous, techonology advanced, literature abounding— society, b/c people were well fed and rich, they had time to persue religion luxuries, architech fancies etc etc

even Japan sent 3000 students to learn from tang including buddhism

shaolin temple flourished, too (sponsored by the government of tang with imperial decree)

and so are kung fu–

shaolin warrior monks or fighting monks-- (paid and salaried by the governemnt of tang)

tried to keep the thread on topic with kung fu–

—[/QUOTE]

my point and question is that

why a government favoring and supporting shaolin buddhism in tang dynasty?

and why a government banning the fa lun buddhist group?

why China left tibet alone with a religious and slavery system for so long?

and why the slavery system was abolished by CPC in the 1950s?

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hint: all religious status or official/lama were all approved and appointed by the government and had the financial support of a government.

the state and the church were always close thru out human history—

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[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;969348]glad you have such belief. :slight_smile:

good to have something.

of course this isn’t my belief. I associate all religions into one big ball of “why the world is FU<Ked up” If we didn’t have religions then this would be a much nicer place. But you always have some idiot out there pushing his religion on people and then the people don’t want it and then before you know it someone is dead and then the cycle is started.

I’ll state the same thing I tell the mormon kids that come around. “keep your voodoo to yourselves, I want no part of it.”[/QUOTE]

The blame does not belong on religion. It is humans that take things and screw them up. If religion wasn’t used to manipulate humans they would be manipulated by something else like the H1N1 virus, or global warming, or those dirty Huns at the border just waiting to invade …

There is nothing wrong with religion in and of itself, it is when people decide to force, coerce or harass others into their beliefs that problems arise and this applies to things other than religions too, such as global warming, over-population, Universal healthcare, etc.

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Self absorption, avarice, greed, lack of compassion, apathy, fear, ignorance, superstition, indifference.

These are some of what makes society at times intolerable.

We offset what is wrong, by bringing what is right. Not by waiting for something to happen so we can join in.

You gotta play the song for the people, not for yourself.

You gotta give for the sake of giving, not with the expectation of return.

Religion is not a problem. Who has actually tried to force religion on you?
And when? As a child? Well we all know what happens when we let children run their own lives lol (lord of the flies).

I always chuckle when people say religion is the problem. NO it’s not. People are the problem. Negative minded, bitter, greedy, atavistic people are the problem.

Not religion. It’s because people aren’t in touch with the higher power that there is a problem.

If everyone just did their own thing, the world would be a great big somalia.

screw that.

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religious persuit is really a luxury

dictating time and devotion–

for most people

a waltz or a song or a poem or a drink that is already enough

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zp180jOoOE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScICyLP8rg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xITfor4nc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBPgA3PSnA&feature=related

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a break away of the hustle and bustle, ups and downs of

our mundane life.

1000 working common folks supporting only one monk.

how many tibetan farmers have to work and bring food to support one tibetan monk clerk?

or if everybody is a monk and who is going to work on the farm?

???

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this is where the study of mycology and symbiotic relationships between living organisms comes into play - it’s true that many folks attempt to form a parasitic relationship with others… a quick glance around modernized society and it’s no secret that most everyone is vying in getting more for less.

in a symbiotic relationship there is a mutally beneficial exchange of energy - those organisms involved become inter-dependent on one another… this concept applied to the economy results in a barter system.

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personally…

I like to first boil the Buddha to get him soft, and then using one of those meat tenderizer hammers and a large ceramic bowl, I…

oh; musing; not mushing…

never mind…

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;969345]we all get to die eventually.

enjoy your ability to suck in the air and feel the sun on your face.

what’s more important?

:)[/QUOTE]

Spiritual evolution, perhaps?

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[QUOTE=Hardwork108;969401]Spiritual evolution, perhaps?[/QUOTE]

the concept of “spiritual” necessarily sets up a duality of “non-spiritual”; like sacred / profane; as such, the notion of spirituality from a Buddhist perspective is simply another construct of the mind, and as such is intrinsically empty; therefore, “evolving” spiritually is impossible, the concept of evolution itself being a construct of mind as well, as it is predicated on a temporal progression of getting from point “A” to point “B”; since all nature is inherently a manifestation of emptiness, the mind-construct of spiritual / not-spiritual is simply another attachment to which the mind can cling as a way of establishing hierarchy / order when in fact there is none, fundamentally;

most people use the term spiritual to implicitly imply a state of being or a pursuit that is somehow more worthy or inherently superior to mundane human activity; but who is to say that the monk engaged in spiritual practice is more important, relevant, fulfilled than the lay person doing their laundry or sweeping a floor? this is why much of Ch’an practice tries to get away from “holy” pursuits, to break down the hierarchical divisions that have been created by people in order to feed their ego constructs and reinforce their sense of self as separate / higher; for most people, spirituality is a projection that they use as a form of moral authority to look down their noses at others - Chogyam Trungpa talks about “spiritual materialism” at length in regards to this, as does Krishnamurti;

rather than talking about evolution or spirit, one might consider the state of one’s relationship to the world such as it is as opposed to how the mind contrives it to be

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[QUOTE=uki;969346]to ride the wave of change when it comes…[/QUOTE]
you’re riding that wave whether you want to or not, or whether you think that you are or not - the question is, does one fight the wave or go with the flow?

my sifu tells a story about a certain Mr. Chan who was a waiter at a dumpling house in NYC Chinatown; one day at tea with his teacher Master K., sifu noticed that Master K. was acting with unusual defference towards Mr. Chan; he also was struck by the way in which Mr. Chan served them, doing so with in a way that was completely present in whatever he did; so he inquired of Master K what exactly Mr’ Chan’s story was; Master K. asked Mr. Chan to come over and tell sifu his story; Master Chan explained that, as an ethnic Chinese living in Vietnam during the war, he had escaped as a stowaway on a cargo ship; being discovered by the crew, he was given the choice of working alongside them or be thrown overboard; as such, one night during a storm, the captain ordered him onto the deck to secure some lines that had broke loose; as Mr. Chan went to do so, a large wave crashed down onto the boat and swept him overboard; in the throes of the sea, Mr. Chan was struck by the absurdity of his situation, that after having gone through so much to escape, to be washed overboard in this way; at that moment, he deeply realized the truth about his life, that while he thought he was in control, that in fact he was at the mercy of forces much greater than he could imagine; and in that realization, Mr. Chan said that he “gave up struggling”, allowing all pretense to drop away completely; and just as he did so, he was deposited back onto the ships deck by another wave! Mr. Chan quickly ran back below - and for the rest of the voyage, he was treated like visiting royality, as some of the crew had witnessed this event and were loathe to tempt fate by disrespecting this man who had cheated death in such an incredible way…
back in the restaurant, Mr. Chan told sifu that he realized that if he had not given up struggling, that he would have not been in the same exact position he was in when the second wave took him back to the ship, and so would not have been dumped back on the ship; and since then, he had lived every moment of his life with an awareness borne of this realization; and this was why when he served dumplings, it reflected his profound sense of being fully committed in everything he did;

Mr. Chan rode the same wave we are a riding; the difference is that he understood this and what’s more, understood how to do it properly…

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[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;969403]the concept of “spiritual” necessarily sets up a duality of “non-spiritual”; like sacred / profane; as such, the notion of spirituality from a Buddhist perspective is simply another construct of the mind, and as such is intrinsically empty; therefore, “evolving” spiritually is impossible, the concept of evolution itself being a construct of mind as well, as it is predicated on a temporal progression of getting from point “A” to point “B”; since all nature is inherently a manifestation of emptiness, the mind-construct of spiritual / not-spiritual is simply another attachment to which the mind can cling as a way of establishing hierarchy / order when in fact there is none, fundamentally;

most people use the term spiritual to implicitly imply a state of being or a pursuit that is somehow more worthy or inherently superior to mundane human activity; but who is to say that the monk engaged in spiritual practice is more important, relevant, fulfilled than the lay person doing their laundry or sweeping a floor? this is why much of Ch’an practice tries to get away from “holy” pursuits, to break down the hierarchical divisions that have been created by people in order to feed their ego constructs and reinforce their sense of self as separate / higher; for most people, spirituality is a projection that they use as a form of moral authority to look down their noses at others - Chogyam Trungpa talks about “spiritual materialism” at length in regards to this, as does Krishnamurti;

rather than talking about evolution or spirit, one might consider the state of one’s relationship to the world such as it is as opposed to how the mind contrives it to be[/QUOTE]

What?

Your succulent verbicosity is ionizing my cranical grey matter to mush!

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;969345]…suck in the air…[/QUOTE]

Speaking of sucking air, I call my current work out the “suck air” workout, because I nearly have a heart attack every time I do it!

For general interest I just started it last week, although I also did it about 3 months ago.

It is a circuit of 8 exercises, 5 reps per exercise, one exercise immediately following the previous one with only one minute between circuits. Tonight is supposed to be the first work out I do 3 circuits…as soon as I am done will have to lay down for about 15 minutes, SUCK AIR and try not to puke…wish me luck!!:eek:

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You did miss me, you old rascal you!

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;969403]the concept of “spiritual” necessarily sets up a duality of “non-spiritual”; like sacred / profane; as such, the notion of spirituality from a Buddhist perspective is simply another construct of the mind, and as such is intrinsically empty; therefore, “evolving” spiritually is impossible, the concept of evolution itself being a construct of mind as well, as it is predicated on a temporal progression of getting from point “A” to point “B”; since all nature is inherently a manifestation of emptiness, the mind-construct of spiritual / not-spiritual is simply another attachment to which the mind can cling as a way of establishing hierarchy / order when in fact there is none, fundamentally;

most people use the term spiritual to implicitly imply a state of being or a pursuit that is somehow more worthy or inherently superior to mundane human activity; but who is to say that the monk engaged in spiritual practice is more important, relevant, fulfilled than the lay person doing their laundry or sweeping a floor? this is why much of Ch’an practice tries to get away from “holy” pursuits, to break down the hierarchical divisions that have been created by people in order to feed their ego constructs and reinforce their sense of self as separate / higher; for most people, spirituality is a projection that they use as a form of moral authority to look down their noses at others - Chogyam Trungpa talks about “spiritual materialism” at length in regards to this, as does Krishnamurti;

rather than talking about evolution or spirit, one might consider the state of one’s relationship to the world such as it is as opposed to how the mind contrives it to be[/QUOTE]

My point was that one can leave this earth a better person than one entered it and by extension come back as a more “evolved” person in the next life and continue on with his spiritual evolution.

This does not involve the criticizing of others or looking down on them (unless that is they were knuckleheads, the enemies of higher spiritual evolution. Furthermore, Ch’an buddhism allows the relentless punishment and persecution of knuckleheads, believing that if they suffer enough in this life time then they will come back in the next one as more enlightened beings capable of comprehending the kung fu internals. :wink: )

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[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;969405]What?

Your succulent verbicosity is ionizing my cranical grey matter to mush![/quote]

You too, eh?:eek: