The final match just completed in Bangkok. Thai won decisively and mostly by KO’s.
I assume you’re talking about the muay thai vs. sanda thing? Was it at L/Rumpinee? Where can I find info about it?
For the last time
San Da is not Kung Fu.It’s just like San Shou,it’s a kickboxing sport.If it was Muay Thai vs. Wing Chun I’ll accept.If it was was Muay Thai vs. Lost track fist I’ll accept and keep my mouth shut.If it was againts 7* Mantis,8 Step Mantis,Hung Gar,Crane,Tiger Claw…at least something I would accept it.
We are not San Da nor do fight like San Da or San Shou.Quit grouping us together.Name a style already.If not then just say Sand Da and not Kung Fu.
Northern Mantis. I agree with you. San shou/san da is not kung fu. It is American Kickboxing with folkstyle and greco roman wrestling.
However the fact that san shou is not kung fu is a good thing becuase kung fu sucks. San shou is actually a very effective style since it is kickboxing and folkstyle wrestling. I’ve fought a former opponent of Marvin Perry (Champion of san shou) in a challenge match. The san shou guys were KO’d by the muay thai because these fights were probably not based on time limits and points where you can survive and then win.
What’s funny is that san shou is the most effective kung fu style. But it’s not kung fu!!! It’s Americna kickboxing.
The creation of san shou is a direct admitance by the chinese that kickboxing and wrestling are superior to kung fu.
I thought you miraculously got a life and left this place? Did your boyfriend dump you already?
i’ll be using the magical ignore button now, let’s see how it works.
I still post here. I’m just not posting for 3 hours a day like i used to.
But i just want to say that I totally agree with NorthernMantis about san shou and san da. They are NOT kung fu.
“Ignoring the problem does not solve it” — Bruce Lee
Uhh Ralek you foget that Tat Mau Wong knocked out some Muay Thai dude back in his day and the Pek Kwar dudes have done well againts Muay Thay.
I had a friend a while back who did traditional Muay Thai.Not that kick boxing sissy stuff.No gloves no nonsense and he said I was too fast for him.
Ralek, you’re more of an annoyance than a problem.
Didn’t the sanda fighters beat the thai fighters 5-1 not too long ago? I guess the two styles are similar in effectiveness, it just comes down to the actual fighters.
tat mau wong…knocked out a thai fighter?
hey northern mantis,
i was just curious where you found that info on tat mau wong from. i heard he was a tough fighter and was wondering if there was a website where you found this out at. thanks
saochoy
Saochoy
From his website I think and plus I remeber reading it a couple of times on diferent ma magazines.If I can find it I’ll post it.It wasn’t just one Muay Thai fighter it was more than one.
Hey don’t miss out on what you’re passing,
you’re missing the hootah of the funky buddah,
eluder of the ****ed up style’s that get wicked
so come on as I start to kick it,
cause we’re like outlaws sridding while suckers are hiding,
jump behind the bush when you see me driving by’
hanging out my window, and my magnum taking out some putohs
acting kind of loco I’m just another local
kid from the street getting paid for my vocals.
Here is something you can’t understand,
How I could just kill a man
This is great!! RALEK YOU HAVE BEEN AWARDED!!!
I just wanted to say bye bye to you AND WELCOME TO MY INGORE LIST MWAHAHAHAHAH!!!
BTW, its like Sanda 2, MT 1.
I don’t mean to split hairs, but kung fu is a generic term for any chinese martial art, and sanda is a chinese martial art. There are people who just train in san shou or san da - not people that train in another art who compete in sanshou, but people that train specifically for the format.
I believe sanda and muay thai are 1-1 now, not 2-1. It’s not really that surprising - sanda wins in china, muay thai wins in thailand.
There’s no shame is losing to thai stadium champs, those guys are badass. Thai boxing is a much bigger sport in thailand than sanda is in china, it’s no big surprise that they produce that quality of fighter.
theres an ignore button??? WHERE!?!?!?!?
xebsball!
say some punk try to get you for your auto
would you call the one-time, play the role model?
no, i think you play like a thug
next hear the shot of a magnum slug
sorry. (snif) i just get emotional at times like these.
anyone got a hanky?
With these results and the last results aren’t the 2 running even now?
ignore button
nobody
Click the “User Profile Button” of the user you wish to ignore. A new mini-window will open up with the profile. At the botton of this window (you’ll have to scroll) are the options ‘add to buddy list’ and ‘add to ignore list.’
Works like a charm. Ralek got the treatment from me, too.
Sanda/San Shou IS derived from Kung Fu
Sanda & San Shou are chinese tournament fighting methods developed and derived from chinese kung fu. They are not ‘styles’ but a synthasis of chinese martial arts, geared towards ring fighting. If you think its not kung fu because theyre not up there doing stylistic techniques that looks like the forms you may practice, you are mistaken. But the ‘core’ is chinese kung fu. It is not american kickboxing, although some development & advancement of this fighting has taken place in the U.S., as well as other parts of the world (especially China, sanda was developed fairly recently by monks at Shaolin).
The Chinese professional sanda fighters are bad @ss, I’ve seen recent chinese tournament videos (home video mailed to my SiFu by some of his students in China) of champion pro san shou fighters and their speed, conditioning, & variety of techniques totally blows away most of the san shou that ive seen at U.S. tournaments (w/ the possible exception of Cung Li, the Brazillian team fighters and a small handful of others).
Most competitors in the U.S. San Shou tournaments are doing a combination of American Kickboxing, wrestling, and whatever else they need to fill in the gaps. Maybe you were unimpressed with what you saw at a local tournament and I can understand why, the technique and level of competition is often not particularly good. While many of them are tough guys, their technique is very sloppy compared to real Sanda or Chinese San Shou.
For the same reason olympic level Fencing looks different than traditional Fencing, high level ring fighters don’t use the stylistic ‘signatures’ from traditional CMA styles, but only conservative core techniques that won’t get them killed in the ring by another trained fighter. One of the best things about CMA is that many styles have a complete range of striking and takedown, and it doesnt need to be pieced together like those that combine Karate and Judo, for example, and the techniques flow together much better.
So what if the Chinese San Shou fighters just lost a match to the Muay Tai fighters? At least theyre competeing at that level. And conversely, I’ve seen matches, both live and in video, where San Shou was pitted against Muay Tai and won desisively. The video was from China and filmed the entire tournament, not just a fluke victory, and pro Muay Tai fighters got knocked out.
And I’ve been at fights held at the local dog track where a few of Jason Yee’s San Shou fighters where pitted against competitive Muay Tai fighters from a respected local school, most in the crowd expected the chinese school to get crushed, but they won all their matches. And the main event that night was Marvin Perry (national San Shou champ from Jason’s school) against the New England regional WKA Champion for the title belt. This kickboxer must have outweighed Perry by at least 15 lbs, didnt even look like they belonged in the same weight class. Perry knocked him out in the first round, totally devestated him, and that was fighting WKA rules, no takedowns, etc. The kickboxer was doing typical American Kickboxing and the san shou looked much different, you have to look past the gear and rules and see how the fighters moving and executing the techniques, it is much different, if it is real san shou.
So before you go off on something with only limited knowlege, understandiing & exposure with intent to bad-mouth a particular art or sport, get a clue. Maybe you need to meet and talk to Shawn Liu, or better yet, put you money where your mouth is and go seek out & compete against the highest level San Shou fighters in China, see how you fare against the real deal.