Is the Wooden Man a waste of space?
Does it actual serve a purpose?
Does the wooden man train you how to flow, utilize and develop power, use your structure to generate power, use your steps correctly to generate power and also condition your limbs?
Are is the Wooden man only for solo training when you have no real partners to train with.
Should the Wooden Man be apart of Wing Chun if so why?
try not using one for a few years and then go back to it…
it tightens up the moves/angles, gives you something to use a bit energy on that will not complain and also makes you think about application and theory.
Its also great from hanging coats from 
Paul
www.moifa.co.uk
what he said…
ditto… but don’t leave it years or you’ll never find it under the coats:)
Is the Wooden Man a waste of space?
No.
Are you?
Some sifus on here have stated a wooden man is useless?
So what is the purpose of the Mook Yan Jong?
If you don’t have training partner at home, the
Hello,
The Dummy helps to refine the angles of your technique. IMHO, the way the dummy reacts to the force projected into it can help to determine if the techniq is applied at the proper angle. An example is the Bong Sau; when applied the arm should go up and the opposite corner and the body of the dummy should turn slightly. This will indicate the proper angle and even degree of force.
Also when moving around the dummy applying techniques your stance is worked and you can use the reactive force from the dummy to insure your stance is also correct.
My opinion anyhow.
I would have thought that this subject might have been more obvious to a WC practitioner, or is this just to get discussion going?
You can not exert yourself in the same manner on your training partners. And you can’t go around doing this on strangers either. The wooden dummy was introduced a very long time ago, and they have been of just about every shape and function. You don’t really have to follow set protocal either, and just use your imagination in putting together patterns and forms.
Not only do you get to apply and develop your offensive and defensive techniques, but you also get to apply and develop your footwork. Your footwork technique gets you where you need to be when you need to be there. You can practice entry technique, kicking, defending, and offensive offensive technique. I feel that the mook is a very important part of your WC training. I don’t think it would be much good in other systems though. But I don’t know that.
It’s easy to say that the dummy is for honing one’s actions on but there is more to the muk jong than that. The dummy is very specific to Ving Tsun training and improvement. The height and angle of the upper limbs. The position of the middle limb and the leg are laid out like that for a reason. It’s not just a training subsitute and it doesnt represent a human being.
Without the dummy certain attributes required for fighting would not be possible. In fact even asking the question of whether it is useless poses some worrying questions.
GH
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1135281]Is the Wooden Man a waste of space?[/QUOTE]
Only if it’s used as a coat hanger! 
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1135281]Does it actual serve a purpose?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1135281]Does the wooden man train you how to flow, utilize and develop power, use your structure to generate power, use your steps correctly to generate power and also condition your limbs?[/QUOTE]
Yes to all of that, and more imho.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1135281]Are is the Wooden man only for solo training when you have no real partners to train with.[/QUOTE]
I was always taught that the Wooden Man represents your Sifu, so yes it’s for solo practise but must be appoached with respect.
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1135281]Should the Wooden Man be apart of Wing Chun if so why?[/QUOTE]
Of course. Because without it where would we be?
:eek: Now I am scared too…I also agree with Graham…what is next different WC lineages sitting in a circle around a fire making smores (which I do not like) and singing…perhaps there is indeed “Hope for the Future” 
[QUOTE=Sihing73;1135375]…perhaps there is indeed “Hope for the Future” :D[/QUOTE]
there is always hope Dave
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1135349]Some sifus on here have stated a wooden man is useless?
So what is the purpose of the Mook Yan Jong?[/QUOTE]
The jong is a piece of equipment in the same way as a wall bag, punch bag, focus mits etc Traditionally it would be used to refine positions, footwork and energy but its uses are only limited by the imagination of the user. It can be used as a kicking post, to train sensitivity, to drill single techniques, drill specific combinations etc Ultimately its a piece of wood or plastic so it is what you make of it
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1135379]The jong is a piece of equipment in the same way as a wall bag, punch bag, focus mits etc Traditionally it would be used to refine positions, footwork and energy but its uses are only limited by the imagination of the user. It can be used as a kicking post, to train sensitivity, to drill single techniques, drill specific combinations etc Ultimately its a piece of wood or plastic so it is what you make of it[/QUOTE]
Ok, so it’s a piece of equipment but there is much more substance in dummy training unlike a punch bag or the wall bag. This unique piece of training apparatus has evolved along with Ving Tsun itself. I wouldn’t say it is limited by one’s imagination either. It serves very specfic purposes. Any fool can make a bit of wood look like a man and hit it but Ving Tsun is a little cleverer than that and it has been adapted by some great fighting minds specifically for VT improvement.
Could you explain how you can train sensitivity on the dummy? 
GH
[QUOTE=Graham H;1135381]Could you explain how you can train sensitivity on the dummy? [/QUOTE]
Can you explain it’s ‘very specific purposes?’
[QUOTE=Paul T England;1135287]
Its also great from hanging coats from
Paul
www.moifa.co.uk[/QUOTE]
Dude, that’s what treadmills and versa climbers are for.
Mook yan jongs are to lean against when teaching class, and lecturing to students.
The jong is a simple training tool, doesn’t actually teach you anything really. It just allows you to exercise what you have been trying to learn. Nothing mysterious about it, nothing specific and pointed about it. Everyone wants to put the cart before the horse.
The jong is built to represent a person. It as the 2 arms to represent a 2 hand stance position, the middle arm represents an uppercut position or low punch, and the leg of course is the one foot forward stance. I find that most white men stand several inches taller than I, and the jong seems to be a man shorter than myself. I suspend my jong to represent a 6 foot man.
When we see WC represented in a movie or something, we see them punching chests and midsections, and this short jong and training the other forms at an unrealistic level is the reason.
The jong is a simple training tool, doesn’t actually teach you anything really.
Which means you obviously don’t understand it.
The jong is built to represent a person.
No it’s not…sorry I should say it doesn’t in my lineage. If you want to work out on a stubby limbed man with one arm sticking out his belly and one leg who can’t move then who am I to argue?
It as the 2 arms to represent a 2 hand stance position, the middle arm represents an uppercut position or low punch, and the leg of course is the one foot forward stance.
It does not! That is the general opinion in WC but we all know by now the reasons for that.
I find that most white men stand several inches taller than I, and the jong seems to be a man shorter than myself. I suspend my jong to represent a 6 foot man.
That is just completely wrong…IMO
When we see WC represented in a movie or something, we see them punching chests and midsections, and this short jong and training the other forms at an unrealistic level is the reason.
Before we get embroiled in another flame war lets just say that we have two completely different ideas on Ving Tsun. The only problem is that I “used” to have the same ideas as you until I found a better path.
GH
Well I’m a white man and I’m 165cm so that’s got to be the dumbest racist statement ever. So what do you do against a black hit as they are all bigger and quicker.