cool, theres an mma forum 
what do i see on it…
talking about other people fighting, no posts or threads about mma technique or experiences from first person perspective!
the thing i love about mma : its not built off legends but what i do myself, and the posts here are the opposite, talking about legends or fighters on tv etc. ironic innit!
anyone else here train combat sports?
talking about other people fighting
Come on now. We talk about other stuff. Besides, our MMA forum just launched. Feel free to start some ‘threads about mma technique or experiences from first person perspective.’ That would be a much more positive way to address this deficiency than just complaining about it. 
[QUOTE=GeneChing;761976]Come on now. We talk about other stuff. Besides, our MMA forum just launched. Feel free to start some ‘threads about mma technique or experiences from first person perspective.’ That would be a much more positive way to address this deficiency than just complaining about it. ;)[/QUOTE]
Gene Ching just iron-crotch kicked the truth into this thread.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;761976]Come on now. We talk about other stuff. Besides, our MMA forum just launched. Feel free to start some ‘threads about mma technique or experiences from first person perspective.’ That would be a much more positive way to address this deficiency than just complaining about it. ;)[/QUOTE]hahaha you know i though exactly that before i posted! still sometimes a bit of stirring is fun 
it was just as i looked down the list of thread titles the irony struck me.
but to his credit he at least wasn’t talking about someone elses complaints or about some legendary complaint he saw on tv. he was giving a first person complaint. and thats what real complaining is all about.
[QUOTE=stricker;761897]cool, theres an mma forum
what do i see on it…
talking about other people fighting, no posts or threads about mma technique or experiences from first person perspective!
the thing i love about mma : its not built off legends but what i do myself, and the posts here are the opposite, talking about legends or fighters on tv etc. ironic innit!
anyone else here train combat sports?[/QUOTE]
I’d much rather discuss trivial aspects of mma, to get into a serious discussion about it generally leads to a debate that can’t be resolved online. :rolleyes:
Also, what’s ‘mma technique’? I may practice a mixed system, but most of the parts are tma’s, so I tend to assosiate individual techniques with their style.
Finally, we use the term mma because of the fighting sports and the legends that made them popular. Otherwise we would probably still be calling it Pankration.
Alas, I have not much fight experience to share, but I am working on that.:o
[QUOTE=stricker;761897]cool, theres an mma forum
what do i see on it…
talking about other people fighting, no posts or threads about mma technique or experiences from first person perspective!
the thing i love about mma : its not built off legends but what i do myself, and the posts here are the opposite, talking about legends or fighters on tv etc. ironic innit!
anyone else here train combat sports?[/QUOTE]
gotta remember, this is a kungfu forum. we are in the minority here. it’s cool though - it will give us the chance to start a bunch of new threads.
[QUOTE=AmanuJRY;762124]I’d much rather discuss trivial aspects of mma, to get into a serious discussion about it generally leads to a debate that can’t be resolved online. :rolleyes:
Also, what’s ‘mma technique’? I may practice a mixed system, but most of the parts are tma’s, so I tend to assosiate individual techniques with their style.
Finally, we use the term mma because of the fighting sports and the legends that made them popular. Otherwise we would probably still be calling it Pankration.
Alas, I have not much fight experience to share, but I am working on that.:o[/QUOTE]
it is called mixed because it is a mix of striking and ground grappling, not because it is a mix of styles.
mma at ama
we did some stick fighting for the first time in the school today.
we wore caged headgear, mma gloves, groin and mouth protection.
my students who have been learning the small bit of arnis that I know have just been doing it about 3 months…so basic striking and blocking with a few disarming type movements. kicking, punching and throwing were allowed.
we kept the power moderate and everyone had fun and left with a few welts about the arms and chest.
several students left at that point and it was down to me and two students so we sparred san shou rules at a medium contact. we round robined between the three of us with 4 minute rounds/1 minute break.
so there!
[QUOTE=SevenStar;762223]it is called mixed because it is a mix of striking and ground grappling, not because it is a mix of styles.[/QUOTE]
Is that an official definition? Name one fighter that learned to strike and grapple with out learning at least boxing and some form of wrestling (styles).
I still assosiate certain techniques with certain styles…it just happens. Probably because that’s where I learned them. Others on this board and throughout mma and m.a. in general do as well, i.e. ‘MT kick’, ‘jab and cross’ (boxing terms), ‘WC chain punches’ (I suppose you could call it a ‘straight blast’ but that would be a JKD term).
Obviously, there are some technique names used across several styles, an individual would probably just assosiate it with the style that they learned it from.
[QUOTE=AmanuJRY;762301]Is that an official definition? Name one fighter that learned to strike and grapple with out learning at least boxing and some form of wrestling (styles).:p[/quote]
you misunderstood me. clf is not a mma. training clf, mantis and tkd does not constitute mma.
I still assosiate certain techniques with certain styles…it just happens. Probably because that’s where I learned them. Others on this board and throughout mma and m.a. in general do as well, i.e. ‘MT kick’, ‘jab and cross’ (boxing terms), ‘WC chain punches’ (I suppose you could call it a ‘straight blast’ but that would be a JKD term).
Obviously, there are some technique names used across several styles, an individual would probably just assosiate it with the style that they learned it from.
maybe I am just past the style thing after training in so many things over the years. I don’t categorize like that anymore.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;762303]you misunderstood me. clf is not a mma. training clf, mantis and tkd does not constitute mma. [/QUOTE]
I would agree, but I find it hard to believe that a person who trains in three different ‘styles’, would not mix techniques when sparring.
The term ‘mixed martial arts’ is pretty generic and does not suggest that grappling has to be included (although, it would seem dumb to limit one’s self;) ).
I kinda like the term ‘panmahia’.
maybe I am just past the style thing after training in so many things over the years. I don’t categorize like that anymore.
Fair enough, but there’s much to be said about how catagorizing and ‘stylizing’ tech’s eases the whole communication thing, it’s difficult to convey subtle differences in tech’s whith just ‘monkey see, monkey do’…
see, it worked
yo, i think the definition of ‘mma’ etc is now very specific. i think it used to be mixed-martial-arts in that it was a competition between a mixture of m.a.s and people would also mix them by crosstraining. i think now if your just doing a mixture of other martial arts, like taekwondo mantis etc, thats just ‘crosstraining’, not MMA.
now i think mma evolution is leading towards it being its own art form. everyones taking the same stuff from wrestling, bjj, boxing and muay thai. fighters and gyms still have their signature backgrounds but its too evolved now for anyone to be really weak in any area.
mma is also becoming its own art form in the specifics. eg the stance is different from thai, boxing, wrestling as it has to take all 3 into account. the groundwork isnt bjj any more, there’s specifics to punching etc, and a lot of bjj people are now sport bjjers. the takedowns are modified from wrestling to put you past guard, and have to be set up with the standup, punches, feints, drawing etc etc
but you’re implying that if you mix, say, mantis and jujitsu then it is mma?
i don’t really get the mma thing either. i’ve always clinched, thrown, 'ground & pound’ed and submitted w/ locks from the ground. but, i started as a wrestler and then, just a year later, started learning hung gar. but, my first teacher was also a wrestler and taught from a perspective of leverage and off balancing that was just a natural extension of what we were doing as a ‘traditional’ martial art.
from:
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Mixed%20Martial%20Arts
Mixed martial arts (MMA) is a combat sport in which two competitors attempt to achieve dominance over one another by utilizing a wide variety of permitted martial arts techniques, including striking and grappling. Well-known MMA organizations include the Ultimate Fighting Championship and PRIDE Fighting Championships.
MMA has also been referred to as No holds barred (NHB) fighting, but this term is no longer considered an accurate description of the modern sport, with its formalized rules and banned techniques that have been developed for the fighters’ safety. A common misconception is that the sport is also called “ultimate fighting”, due to the popularization of the sport by the UFC.
General
Mixed martial arts was originally based around the concept of pitting different martial arts and fighting styles against each other in competition with minimal rules, in an attempt to determine which system would be more effective in a real, unregulated combat situation. Modern MMA competition is an evolution of such events, but rules have been implemented to promote acceptance of the sport, while at the same time maintaining as much of the original no-holds-barred concept as possible. There is however no general sanctioning body for the sport, and the sets of rules vary according to the laws of individual organizations and localities (although there were attempts to make the sport, under the banner of pankration an Olympic sanctioned sport for the 2004 games in Athens).
The techniques utilized in MMA competition generally fall into two categories: striking techniques (such as kicks, knees and punches) and grappling techniques (such as clinch holds, pinning holds, submission holds, sweeps, takedowns and throws). Some unarmed hand to hand combat techniques are considered illegal in arguably all modern MMA competition, such as biting, eye-gouging, fish-hooking and small joint manipulation. Over the last ten years, strikes to the groin have become illegal in all sanctioned MMA organizations. The legality of other techniques such as elbows, headbutts and spinal locks vary according to competition or organization.
Victory is normally gained by judges’ decision after an allotted amount of time has elapsed, a stoppage by the referee or the fight doctor (in the event that the competitor is injured or can no longer defend himself intelligently), a submission, by a competitor’s cornerman (throwing in the towel), or knockout.
While MMA competition is occassionally depicted as brutal by the media, there has never been a death or crippling injury in a sanctioned MMA event in North America.[1]
so, lets define what this ‘mma’ forum is going to be for exactly.
1 - continuation of JKD related information
2 - discussion of everything related to the commercial MMA venues such as UFC, Pride, etc. including the amature events like KOTC.
3 - discussion of training within our schools that attempts to emulate MMA venues and/or amateur full contact competition by our schools fighters.
[I]yea, 3 is partial to my own thing but would also include Ross’s gym would it not?
which begs the question: is San Shou/San Da/Shuai Jiao to be considered MMA or Traditional?
If MMA then you would almost have to include anything done ‘full contact’ to be MMA would you not?[/I]
4 - ???
5 - ???
i’m going to make this sticky for a while, I think it’s headed in a good direction.
So there’s a difference between the definition of ‘mma’ based on the etymology of the term and the ‘accepted’ definition of it?
well, yea, of course there would be.
the etymological roots of a word don’t necessarily have a lot to do with how the word is used colloquially by a given population.
what I’m after here is establishing what ‘MMA’ means to us and how we are going to use this forum…in hopes of heading off some useless ****ing contests about it.
Still, in the early days of the UFC (and mma), the term mma was a bit more loosely defined, obviously it has since evolved to a more specific definition.
Oh, well. I still like the term Panmahia.
Mixing kung fu styles is not MMA.
Boxing + Savate + TKD is not MMA.
Folk Wrestling + BJJ is not MMA.
MMA as understood by just about everyone who actually trains or watches it refers to fighting that covers all ranges of hand-to-hand combat in a sport context :
San Shou can be a very good training component of an MMA club, but full-contact San Shou is not MMA without wrestling and submission training.
so…
clips and discussion of san shou matches is not mma and therefore not valid on this forum?
only discussion of mma training and competition that encompasses the ‘3 pillars’ of mma, as you list them, is valid?
just clarifying
Depends on your viewpoint.
Technically BJJ clips belong in the ORA.
Technically, San Shou and San Da should go in the kung fu forum.
But since BJJ + San Shou = MMA, I don’t see why they can’t go here.
I guess it depends on your intent and the context of the material.